Handling difference between Cross and Gravel bikes
How does Cross and Gravel handle differently? Specifically, When would one want Cross vs Gravel? How do they handle and ride differently? So here is the answer, based on my own research, experience, and validated with an OEM designer of CX and gravel bikes. These are generalizations, your results may vary. ;-)
The background: Gravel is longer/lower/slacker meaning:
along with:
Short chain stays help CX bikes respond sharply to power bursts, the long chain stays on gravel bikes do a lot to keep it stable on loose terrain. Lower bottom bracket gives a slightly lower center of gravity (and longer chain stays), while a higher BB gives more clearance for obstacles and less pedal strike. Slacker geometry slows the steering down a bit for more stability. This leads to the following handling differences:* Cross bikes: Quicker handling at the cost of stability. Dynamically, a cross bike would be more agile, designed to be ridden more aggressively, accelerates and climbs a little faster, could corner harder/sharper (requiring more care on sweeping loose turns), less worry about pedal strike. Gravel bikes tend to be more stable in loose terrain, and fast descents, a bit easier and more comfortable to ride, require a little more intention on turn-in (swinging wide too wide on very tight turns) and a generally more relaxed demeanor. *Note that this is a generalization - some gravel bikes are more aggressive, and some CX bikes are more laid back, and some manufacturers use the same frame for both gravel and cross (often with different gearing and different stock tire size). |
You should also separate gravel out into race gravel bikes which fall somewhere inbetween and touring/adventure/bikepacking style gravel bikes. Basically a continuum :thumb:
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So, I've been checking out the differences lately and think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head with your description. Although, with Kona who changed their cross lineup to be slacker, longer, lower this past year the lines are truly blurring. My own Kona Jake the Snake which is only a few years old but still not the newer geometry gets a little squirrelly when getting fast on steep descents. It's hella fun on a cross course though.
I kinda like how a cross bike can be a blast to ride in a grassy city park set up to be a race course and on some single track mtb trails where the quick handling really comes into its own...and no pedal strikes. |
Originally Posted by RJM
(Post 20439784)
So, I've been checking out the differences lately and think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head with your description. Although, with Kona who changed their cross lineup to be slacker, longer, lower this past year the lines are truly blurring. My own Kona Jake the Snake which is only a few years old but still not the newer geometry gets a little squirrelly when getting fast on steep descents. It's hella fun on a cross course though.
I kinda like how a cross bike can be a blast to ride in a grassy city park set up to be a race course and on some single track mtb trails where the quick handling really comes into its own...and no pedal strikes. |
Gravel bikes also tend to be more versatile, in that they are more likely to come with ample rack/fender mounts, etc. That, combined with greater flexibility on tire width, makes them (on average) a much better "do anything" bike.
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Originally Posted by RJM
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So, I've been checking out the differences lately and think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head with your description. Although, with Kona who changed their cross lineup to be slacker, longer, lower this past year the lines are truly blurring. My own Kona Jake the Snake which is only a few years old but still not the newer geometry gets a little squirrelly when getting fast on steep descents. It's hella fun on a cross course though.
I kinda like how a cross bike can be a blast to ride in a grassy city park set up to be a race course and on some single track mtb trails where the quick handling really comes into its own...and no pedal strikes. Have an appointment for a fitting/consultation on next Tuesday. Going to make this guy make the decision for me lol. |
Originally Posted by Abe_Froman
(Post 20440240)
I've sort of decided I just don't want to think about geometry anymore lol. I've been looking at every cross bike under the sun for the last couple weeks, and can't decide what I want, or even really like in a bike. Decided I'm just going to sit down with a pro fitter that runs a bike shop and custom orders/builds bikes. Full fitting included with any bike purchase.
Have an appointment for a fitting/consultation on next Tuesday. Going to make this guy make the decision for me lol. http://sevencycles.com/order/Seven-C...tic-2018.4.pdf Note all the blanks for fit and features and characteristics. |
Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
(Post 20440264)
General bit of advise....If you're going to do custom, know what you want. Not knowing what you want, and don't, will frustrate both parties. Many bespoke companies have their bespoke-order-forms online, which will give you an idea how to fine tune what you want. I had to fill in this doc when I did my Seven back a decade ago:
http://sevencycles.com/order/Seven-C...tic-2018.4.pdf Note all the blanks for fit and features and characteristics. |
Originally Posted by jfoobar
(Post 20439956)
Gravel bikes also tend to be more versatile, in that they are more likely to come with ample rack/fender mounts, etc. That, combined with greater flexibility on tire width, makes them (on average) a much better "do anything" bike.
One other differece is gravel bikes seem to come with slightly wider gearing options. With popularity of 1x growing, those lines are blurring. |
Cross will be lighter and more agile, gravel bike will probably give you toe strike at times.
Stability of lower bottom bracket seems nutty to me, it's like saying oh man I like riding gravel as a teenager but I'm going to have trouble when I grow 1 inch taller because my center of gravity will be higher and I won't be stable enough. Actually the difference is less than 1" between my cross bike and the Diverge which has a very low BB -- low enough to hit my toes on the ground, on rocks, etc, but still less than 1" and I certainly can't notice any difference in stability or figure out why there would be one. Having said all that, others have ridden many more bikes than I have and may be able to notice the difference in stability. |
Originally Posted by Abe_Froman
(Post 20440240)
I've sort of decided I just don't want to think about geometry anymore lol. I've been looking at every cross bike under the sun for the last couple weeks, and can't decide what I want, or even really like in a bike. Decided I'm just going to sit down with a pro fitter that runs a bike shop and custom orders/builds bikes. Full fitting included with any bike purchase.
Have an appointment for a fitting/consultation on next Tuesday. Going to make this guy make the decision for me lol. But, I just put down money on a Trek Crockett frameset that I'm going to build into a sweet single speed cyclocross machine. I have made my choice now! bwahahahahahaha!!! |
Originally Posted by curttard
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Cross will be lighter and more agile, gravel bike will probably give you toe strike at times.
Stability of lower bottom bracket seems nutty to me, it's like saying oh man I like riding gravel as a teenager but I'm going to have trouble when I grow 1 inch taller because my center of gravity will be higher and I won't be stable enough. Actually the difference is less than 1" between my cross bike and the Diverge which has a very low BB -- low enough to hit my toes on the ground, on rocks, etc, but still less than 1" and I certainly can't notice any difference in stability or figure out why there would be one. Having said all that, others have ridden many more bikes than I have and may be able to notice the difference in stability. I think a Gravel bike would have less toe strike due to the longer wheelbase and slacker head tube angle. |
Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
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Originally Posted by curttard
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Having said all that, others have ridden many more bikes than I have and may be able to notice the difference in stability.
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I've heard it claimed on a bicycle podcast that cross and gravel bikes have approx 80% overlap. As already pointed out in this thread gravel bikes are more likely to have rack and fender mounts. |
OP sums up basically whats been stated many times on many different platforms(websites, blogs, forums, YouTube, etc).
Pretty accurate. |
You probably will not shoulder your gravel bike and run up a hill,
carrying it.. every lap around the course.. |
Not to be an ass but I've literally seen this explanation so many times I've lost count.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
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You probably will not shoulder your gravel bike and run up a hill,
carrying it.. every lap around the course.. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 20441715)
OP sums up basically whats been stated many times on many different platforms(websites, blogs, forums, YouTube, etc).
Pretty accurate. Clint Gibbs did a good comparison of his cross vs gravel bike on you tube, but never really compared the handling of the two – never really said what type of riding a cross bike excels at. Example: Yeah, a gravel bike does great on a flowy single track designed for a long/low/slack bike. But on a tight course, I can carry a lot more speed through a tight corner and exit faster on a cross bike. So – tight course favors a cross bike, a flow course favors a gravel bike. It depends on how aggressive you want to ride. Cross bikes are better for some people, but no one objectively speaks to that. Gravel is not always the answer (even though that is all the rage now). AMANDA NAUMAN said it well in this cxmag article: “[Gravel] is your Cadillac, and your BSB cyclocross bike is your race car,” she added. |
Originally Posted by Ghazmh
(Post 20441630)
I've heard it claimed on a bicycle podcast that cross and gravel bikes have approx 80% overlap. As already pointed out in this thread gravel bikes are more likely to have rack and fender mounts. The issue is that manufacturers started blurring these lines a few years ago, making cross bikes less racy and gravel bikes more racy. Now it really all labeling. I generally ignore the "cross" vs. "gravel" label at this point and just focus on the specifics of the bike. |
Originally Posted by hiro11
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the issue is that manufacturers started blurring these lines a few years ago, making cross bikes less racy and gravel bikes more racy. Now it really all labeling. I generally ignore the "cross" vs. "gravel" label at this point and just focus on the specifics of the bike. |
I think the bigger point is there are no hard lines and really never were. Don't consider the title or marketing. Throw in monster cross, adventure bike, combo 650/29/700 and > 2.1 tires and oh man... Get the one or more that suits you best and call it whatever you want. There are hundreds of choice from one end to the other and the title is not specific at all. To some it may be confusing, to others the choice is great. I will mention this though. Looking back on what I bought 16 months ago what I have now just under 5000 miles later. The frame and fork, seat post, calipers, and brifters are the same but through tweaks, breakage, comfort, and scope changes everything else on it has changed.
EDIT: yes, like hiro11 said above. |
Originally Posted by Abe_Froman
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I've sort of decided I just don't want to think about geometry anymore lol. I've been looking at every cross bike under the sun for the last couple weeks, and can't decide what I want, or even really like in a bike. Decided I'm just going to sit down with a pro fitter that runs a bike shop and custom orders/builds bikes. Full fitting included with any bike purchase.
Have an appointment for a fitting/consultation on next Tuesday. Going to make this guy make the decision for me lol. That original post was intended to be more about handling differences more than geometry. How important to you is: agility vs stability, fast downhills vs tight cornering, wide turns vs sharp turns, enduro vs aero positioning, weight vs everything, cushion vs feedback, pedal strike, toe overlap, turn in, tire width, acceleration, etc? long/low/slack bikes take a little more intention to turn, and are going to cut a wider arc. I find myself missing the apex or turn out and going off trail, as the bike won't always turn hard enough - eather that or I just slow down more. For some, pedal strike can be an issue. Cross type geometry can turn in a lot harder and carry momentum through a hard turn with enough traction, but may also require steering corrections (scaloping) if not piloted smoothly. This is what people sometimes refer to squirrelly. Sometimes I find myself turning in too sharply, backing off, and then correcting again. These are some of the things that we should be asking ourselves when purchasing a new ride. I'm sure your frame dude will talk you through these things. :-) |
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