Spindle length with different crank
On my vintage 1983 Trek, I am planning to change the crank. It is a 144bcd Superbe that I plan to replace with a vintage 110bcd Sugino Super Maxy so I can get some lower gearing. Both are doubles, so would I just put it on and see if the chainline is good? Would it be likely that the spindle that is in there that I just serviced should match up?
A followup question regarding chain rings. I see Shimano/Sram chainrings in 34/110 lots cheaper than Sugino. Are these compatible on the Sugino Super Maxy? Friction shift on this vintage bike. |
Chances are it will be close enough to work. Make sure the Super Maxy is in good shape; unlike the forged one-piece Superbe crank, the Super Maxy is a much cheaper two-piece swaged unit, and those sometimes come loose at the swaged joint. If you can find a Mighty Tour crank instead, those also use 110mm BCD rings but have a one piece forged arm like the Superbe you're replacing.
And yes, any 110mm ring will mount on a 110mm arm. With friction shifting you don't really need modern ramps and pins, but they don't hurt if the rings you choose have them. |
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Originally Posted by sd5782
(Post 21305849)
On my vintage 1983 Trek, I am planning to change the crank. It is a 144bcd Superbe that I plan to replace with a vintage 110bcd Sugino Super Maxy so I can get some lower gearing. Both are doubles, so would I just put it on and see if the chainline is good?
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My general philosophy is that if I already own parts I'll test fit almost anything and see what else, if anything, I need to make it work. If I'm BUYING parts, I'm going to hold out for parts that I'm pretty sure are going to work together.
My rule of thumb with cranksets is: the older the crankset, the longer BB spindle needed. I'm thinking that Super May and Superbe are around the same age bracket so I'd guess you have a real good shot for it to work. |
Check to be sure the spindle flats are the same angle.
Cheers |
Thanks all
Thanks for the info folks. The Maxy seems solid, so I will give it a try when I get some time. That Mighty Tour is pricey for used ones. I do like the looks of these older Sugino cranks with the flutes in the arms and the cutouts in the spider arms too.
i see Sugino rings are quite pricey too, so I may try a cheaper Shimano style one. Lower gearing will be nicer at my 62 years of age. |
Originally Posted by sd5782
(Post 21307032)
i see Sugino rings are quite pricey too, so I may try a cheaper Shimano style one. Lower gearing will be nicer at my 62 years of age.
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5 arm
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 21307396)
Your Maxi isn't a 3-arm?
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...crank-arm.html |
nice
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Originally Posted by '02 nrs
(Post 21307662)
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Originally Posted by sd5782
(Post 21308608)
Bought from small local bike shop for cheap. Pic at this thread;
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...crank-arm.html |
You are trying to cost me some money
Originally Posted by Road Fan
(Post 21308807)
I'm guessing this year it will be April 25, 2020.
It sounds dangerous to my wallet and I don’t have my other bikes all sorted yet. Oh well. |
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 21308919)
I may have just dated myself. I had a 3-arm Maxi but that was around 45 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 21308919)
I may have just dated myself. I had a 3-arm Maxi but that was around 45 years ago.
Originally Posted by madpogue
(Post 21309849)
Maybe that's the difference between a Maxy and a Super Maxy? :shrug:
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Doesn’t match up
Well, a different spindle will be in order at least. It turns out that this first gen Superbe is closer to a campy or SIS taper. The Maxy crank also has its inner taper starting further away from the BB. The spindle is marked Superbe 68 W and is 113mm. I will probably take both cranks to the LBS to see how close they can match it up.
Can I keep my same cups and bearings and just purchase a new spindle? I wouldn’t have to mess with the fixed cup that way. I suppose the proper way is to get the Park BB tool and remove the fixed cup too and have all new parts.That fixed cup has been in there since 1983, so the LBS may be needed for removal. It turns out that the Superbe is an odd duck. |
Originally Posted by sd5782
(Post 21310684)
I wouldn’t have to mess with the fixed cup that way. I suppose the proper way is to get the Park BB tool and remove the fixed cup too and have all new parts.That fixed cup has been in there since 1983, .
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IIRC Superbe, like the Mighty Comp that proceeded it, used the Campy taper spec. Unlike most all other Sugino and Shimano cranks back then and since. If the incorrect spindle/arm combo is used the arm might fit too far up the taper and bottom out past the tapers or the arm might not fit over the spindle enough and the tapered hole could become "damaged". Andy
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Yep, that is what I found. The taper is indeed different. The super Maxy sprocket side crank also looks like it is”dished” for lack of a better word further out from the bottom bracket as compared to the Superbe also. This difference looks to be 4-5 mm also plus the matter of the different tapers. Perhaps the co-op has some spindles I could try and keep my bearings and cups. Learning
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Originally Posted by sd5782
(Post 21310936)
Yep, that is what I found. The taper is indeed different. The super Maxy sprocket side crank also looks like it is”dished” for lack of a better word further out from the bottom bracket as compared to the Superbe also. This difference looks to be 4-5 mm also plus the matter of the different tapers. Perhaps the co-op has some spindles I could try and keep my bearings and cups. Learning
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Need new spindle either way
Originally Posted by Mr. 66
(Post 21311403)
A basic nutted mountain bike triple spindal should work fine with your cups and maxy crank, but 2x check the width of bearing tracks. I Think you are better replacing with solid cranks preferably forged, and using your current bb as-is.
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Bike co-op spindles
Okay, maybe narrowed the size down for the Suer Maxy with the JIS taper vs the Campy taper on the Superbe. I went to the co-op again and picked up several spindles for the costly sum of $1 each. It seems that the 3N will be a good fit. Unfortunately the one I got has 1 small pit in the NDS. I was looking at the style that take a bolt. I was thinking of going back and digging through them again looking at the ones with nutted ends. Is there any real difference?
I also see new Sunlite branded ones on eBay for $9 delivered. Are these recommended, or considered cheap and inferior? |
If you're going to spend "real" money, you might just want to go cartridge.
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Too sensible
Originally Posted by madpogue
(Post 21313338)
If you're going to spend "real" money, you might just want to go cartridge.
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