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Thank you for riding Campagnolo
Had the pleasure of working on two bikes today running Campagnolo equipment. One was an older 10 speed, the other a 5 year old 11 speed. Very refreshing after working on bike after bike with Ultegra, 105, Dura Ace or Di2. The precision feel of the shifters is so darned nice! Good to have a break working on a Ferrari or two and not the typical Chevy and Buick. It is good to be different!
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I've got 10 speed Chorus on my Tallerico. It's absolutely ruined my ability to enjoy STI. It's so intangible but so superior to anything out there by big S at the time.
I would have loved to get Ekar on my new gravel bike. I just couldn't justify the cost for my level. |
Originally Posted by TiHabanero
(Post 21932240)
Had the pleasure of working on two bikes today running Campagnolo equipment.
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I had one bike with a complete 2006 Chorus 10-speed group and another identical frame set with 2006 Ultegra 10-speed. I must be too insensitive but if the Campy components were better than the Shimano I really couldn't tell. Different in some respects? Yes. More expensive? Certainly. More durable? Not a lot. But "better"? Not to me.
I enjoyed the Campy components and was glad I spec'ed that bike with them but when they wore out after thousands of miles I replaced them with Shimano with out regret. |
I probably don't have the best comparisons since for 10sp I only have 4700 Tiagra which I like and 10sp force but I'll take my 12sp Chorus shifter feeling over them any day. I did build a number of 105 and ultegra bikes last year and didn't notice anything special about the shifting compared to the Tiagra, 105 felt the same with an extra gear and Ultegra felt better still but still not anything special.
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Shame on Shimano for making quality, inexpensive, dependable, components that allow us to take them for granted.
Chevys and buicks helped build this land. Ferrari= campagnola IS way more than a stretch. Monotony can lead to _______. |
I have a Bianchi with Chorus and another bike with Ultegra, both 11 speed. Campy stuff is beautiful and feels great, but expensive and finicky. It reminds me of Alfa Romeo. Shimano is utilitarian, but is more reliable. It is fun to switch between them because they are so different.
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I’ve bought all my Campag Record shifters used, pre-2009. They still weren’t cheap. But boy are they nice. And I know how to rebuild them —it’s not hard and quite rewarding to have them clicking like new again. Thank you Branford Bike for stocking the parts.
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Thank you for riding Campy (The Cobalto Girls theme song)
Thank you for riding Campy Record, Chorus and Potenza man Croce d'Aune can't don't forget about Deltas I'm not ashamed to say Mr Ghibli always makes my day Tulis fingers froze, but the quick release is nice and tight Thank you for riding Campy Thank you for riding Campy Thank you for riding Campy Thank you for riding Campy (major credit to Mr. Andrew Gold and of course to Dorthy, Rose, Blanche, Sophia and Tulio Campagnolo) Also fun fact Quentin Tarantino played an Elvis Impersonator at Sophia's second wedding. |
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...wait, is this one of those Campy versus Shimano threads ? I thought those had been banned here after the great Campy/Shimano dustup in 2004 ? :wtf: I lost a couple of friends in that war. :( |
I've owned 8-9-10-11-12 speed Campy as soon as each became available. A few months ago I switched to SRAM Force AXS 12 speed. I first switched just the cassette as an experiment, which worked great, then switched the shifters and derailleurs, still using my Campy rim brakes and Chorus 48/32 crank. That worked great too. Now I've taken the next step to disc brake frames and tubeless tires, but still using the mechanical bake levers with Juin-Tech GT four piston calipers.
As the price for Force hydraulic brake levers/calipers drops, that may be the next step, but probably not until next season. I enjoy not having hydraulics to bleed. |
I'm going to make one more comment then stay out of this soon to be heated thread. Equating Campy to Ferrari is quite unfair to Campy. Both are expensive but that's all they have in common. Campy is at least reliable and durable. Ferraris are neither.
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Campy works well stock, but when it comes to mix and match Shimano is king. I slapped a brand new 7 speed freewheel on my 1987 Shimano 105 hub and shift it with Sora ST3300 brifters. Can you do the same with Campy? Nope . You’d be lucky to even find a freewheel for an Italian threaded hub. And Campy never made a 7 sp brifters, so you are out of luck if you want to stay 126mm. On another bike I was able to convert a 130mm RSX hub to 126mm by just taking out one spacer. I don’t see how you can shorten a newish Campy hub. You can also run 8 of 9 on 7 with Shimano hubs. With Campy the 8 speed hubs are in a lost universe in its own and there is no good choice for staying with 126mm hub width while using brifters.
similarly for the front. Campy cranks shorter than 170mm are rarer than hens teeth whereas 165mm Shimano cranks are at least out there. The most recent 105 goes down to 160mm. And you have at least tons of aftermarket alternatives with Shimano’s 110mm and 130mm bolt patterns. With campy your obscure 135? Mm bolt pattern means no luck finding replacement rings and that ISO sq taper BB spindle means no interchangeability with other brands neither. |
I think this is less a Campy v. Shimano but a Campy v. Ferrari looking at some of the comments. Honestly everything but Rohloff sucks :lol:
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This is not a Campy vs. anything thread, it is a sigh of relief working on something outside of utilitarian bike components thread. I love the positive feel of Campy shifters much as I love the feel of an Italian racing gearbox. Takes deliberate effort to move and gives positive feedback to what movement was made. I just really like having something different to work on.
As to the Ferrari comparison, it was originally Cadillac, but decided to use an Italian brand instead and did not wish to insult Tullio using Fiat. By the way, had the pleasure of working on another Campy equipped bike today. Old Centuar 10 speed and it shifts perfectly. Feel of the levers was still positive after all these years. Bonus is that the grease has not gummed up! |
Originally Posted by TiHabanero
(Post 21933365)
This is not a Campy vs. anything thread, it is a sigh of relief working on something outside of utilitarian bike components thread. I love the positive feel of Campy shifters much as I love the feel of an Italian racing gearbox. Takes deliberate effort to move and gives positive feedback to what movement was made. I just really like having something different to work on.
As to the Ferrari comparison, it was originally Cadillac, but decided to use an Italian brand instead and did not wish to insult Tullio using Fiat. By the way, had the pleasure of working on another Campy equipped bike today. Old Centuar 10 speed and it shifts perfectly. Feel of the levers was still positive after all these years. Bonus is that the grease has not gummed up! |
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...should've gone with Alfa Romeo. Just sayin' :) |
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
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So after over 3,300 posts to this forum you had no intention or expectation that this would turn into the usual Brand X is great the rest are not? Using Ferrari as a comparison really! More like Ford, Chevy, Chrysler or how about Nissan, Toyota, Mazda.
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TiHabanero,
Today has been day three for me of cleaning and upgrading Campy rear derailleurs here in the workshop. I spend time replacing worn steel rusted parts with stainless steel and broken delryn pulley wheels with aluminium sealed bearing units. Which will ensure years more of service at a small cost, with some effort on my part. But the finished product is ready to be reinstalled and run smoothly with little effort. I have thousands of miles on my Campy stuff and continue to ride it. I am too old to change but it worked well enough for the Rhino Herdsmen to race in three RAAM's and do all of the training for them. I'm sticking with what works and requires little if any heavy maintenance. And yes, it is nice to work on some easy to maintain equipment when it comes in. Smiles, MH |
Originally Posted by Mad Honk
(Post 21933454)
... I spend time replacing worn steel rusted parts with stainless steel and broken delryn pulley wheels with aluminium sealed bearing units. ...
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
(Post 21933037)
Campy works well stock, but when it comes to mix and match Shimano is king. I slapped a brand new 7 speed freewheel on my 1987 Shimano 105 hub and shift it with Sora ST3300 brifters. Can you do the same with Campy? Nope . You’d be lucky to even find a freewheel for an Italian threaded hub. And Campy never made a 7 sp brifters, so you are out of luck if you want to stay 126mm. On another bike I was able to convert a 130mm RSX hub to 126mm by just taking out one spacer. I don’t see how you can shorten a newish Campy hub. You can also run 8 of 9 on 7 with Shimano hubs. With Campy the 8 speed hubs are in a lost universe in its own and there is no good choice for staying with 126mm hub width while using brifters.
similarly for the front. Campy cranks shorter than 170mm are rarer than hens teeth whereas 165mm Shimano cranks are at least out there. The most recent 105 goes down to 160mm. And you have at least tons of aftermarket alternatives with Shimano’s 110mm and 130mm bolt patterns. With campy your obscure 135? Mm bolt pattern means no luck finding replacement rings and that ISO sq taper BB spindle means no interchangeability with other brands neither. |
Originally Posted by Russ Roth
(Post 21933741)
Shimano used to be good with interchangeability but they've kind of screwed that one in the last few years. My first flat bar build for my wife I used LX shifters with an XTR rear derailleur and an Ultegra front derailleur on a road crank. But with 9v, Shimano switched up the front shifting. The cranks still have the same spacing between the rings but the derailleurs are designed to only work with their respective shifters i.e., road vs. mountain. They put an extra long shift in the bottom to middle ring in the MTB shifters and changed the derailleur to match. Then they tried switching up road cassettes with 10v DA and Ultegra, that flopped but with 10v and 11v they started changing rear derailleur ratios even though, again, the cassette spacing didn't change. So I can run a road shifter and der over my 11sp cassette or a MTB shifter and derailleur over the exact same cassette but not the road shifter with MTB derailleur. Worse, the new road 10, 11, and 12v road run different pull ratios from the previous 10v in both road and MTB; really messing with parts compatibility. It's reduced a lot of my appreciation for Shimano. Campy isn't really any better but they never were, they always had higher level stuff work differently so you know you had higher level stuff.
The front shifting was a real problem after the road long-arm stuff. That was a mistake. They redesigned the FD for better clearance and more consistent cable paths, but the pull ratio stayed the same. The cable pull only changed once. aside: Shadow tech moved the rear derailleur into a more protected position, yes, but it also moved the lower pivot forward and improved the cable path. Cable pull remained the same. Last, you can buy flat-bar 11 speed shifters, so the whole "mix and match" thing is moot. |
Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
(Post 21933037)
Campy works well stock, but when it comes to mix and match, Shimano is king. I slapped a brand new 7 speed freewheel on my 1987 Shimano 105 hub and shifted it with Sora ST3300 brifters. Can you do the same with Campy? Nope. You’d be lucky to even find a freewheel for an Italian threaded hub. And Campy never made a 7v brifters, so you are out of luck if you want to stay 126mm. On another bike, I was able to convert a 130mm RSX hub to 126mm by just taking out one spacer. I don’t see how you can shorten a newish Campy hub. You can also run 8 of 9 on 7 with Shimano hubs. With Campy, the 8 speed hubs are in a lost universe on their own and there is no good choice for staying with 126mm hub width while using brifters.
Similarly for the front, Campy cranks shorter than 170mm are rarer than hen's teeth, whereas 165mm Shimano cranks are at least out there. The most recent 105 goes down to 160mm. And, you have at least tons of aftermarket alternatives with Shimano’s 110mm and 130mm bolt patterns. With Campy, your obscure 135 BCD pattern means no luck finding replacement rings and that ISO square taper BB spindle means no interchangeability with other brands either. 0. You shouldn't slap things, especially if they are old. Would you slap your grandmother? I wouldn't. 1. 98% of Campagnolo hubs are English threaded. That means just about any freewheel will thread on, including the new Shimano freewheel you bought. 2. Most of the hubs sold these days use end caps. Your RSX hub is 20, 30 years old. You can remove spacers from Campagnolo hubs from the same era. Oh, and a Shimano R7000 hub? No spacers to remove there. 3. 8 speed hubs, no matter the brand, have always been 130mm. That includes Shimano. 4. How about a Gevenalle shifter? Or bar ends? 5. Run a Shimano crank instead. Or a White Industries. Or anything you want. It'll work fine. 6. TA makes 135BCD chainrings, available through Peter White or your local https://www.amazon.com. But yes, fewer options than 110 BCD. 7. Origin8 makes an affordable yet high quality ISO taper BB. $30. Comes in a variety of lengths. Token makes some too. Sugino makes one for their track cranks. 8. Most high-end vintage cranks are ISO taper, or close to it. |
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Campy is certainly the bees knees. My Italian roadie is Campy Rec 8sp, though I happily ride Shimano Di2 and 8sp STI on other bikes. A huge gap if we compare Campy Record hubs from the early 90's to Shimano 600 or Dura Ace of that era.
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