External ”Hollowtech” bearings or square tapered cartridges?
Hi everyone!
As the title says, but I’m thinking about the durability factor. A crankset/bottom bracket similar to my actual ones (currently SunRace FCM918 with Shimano UN-BB26, looking for a Shimano FC-T4060 with Shimano BB-SM52) is about 2.5x more expensive here in Brazil. Is it at least as durable as it costs? |
I like that Hollowtech is easy to take apart for cleaning so ti gets cleaned.
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Well, I've replaced a cheap cartridge (Chin Heur) after a few K miles with a UN55 that probably has 5K miles on it and running fine. I probably have 10K on an 105 BB5600 HTII bottom bracket that is running fine.
Either one should give years/miles of trouble free service unless you're riding in very extreme conditions. I would forget the UN 26 and step up to a UN 55 for a few more $$ |
Originally Posted by dwsmartins
(Post 21229365)
Hi everyone!
As the title says, but I’m thinking about the durability factor. A crankset/bottom bracket similar to my actual ones (currently SunRace FCM918 with Shimano UN-BB26, looking for a Shimano FC-T4060 with Shimano BB-SM52) is about 2.5x more expensive here in Brazil. Is it at least as durable as it costs? |
For the numbers of external to shell bearings (Hollowtech) sold and their relative mid to better grades (as they are on more expensive bikes typically) I will say that we replace a lot. For the most part these are not really rebuildable and are regarded as disposable by the industry.
The tapered square BBs seem to be of better sealing in general and don't wear as rapidly. Especially since they are so much more common at the lower cost levels one might think their longevity should be less then external units. But our experience doesn't prove this assumption out. I'm sure others will have their opinions, perhaps they can offer some ideas as to how many they see a year:) so we know the foundation their opinions are based on. Andy |
Originally Posted by AnkleWork
(Post 21229390)
If you would post in your native language then respondents could understand you better and you would receive more useful replies.
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After faffing around with a White Industries square taper BB (a good, but rather expensive one) for a couple of years, I went back to the $18 Shimano Ultegra BB, and it felt the way it does when I stop hitting myself in the head with a hammer.
@Andrew R Stewart: sample size = 1.0 Edit: I just remembered my Crampy square taper BB survived about 35 years of malignant neglect. |
I have a Shimano SM-BBR60 here with +15k miles on it, installed on it's third frame. Bearings are still smooth.
And even though no one asked, a BB-UN26 square-taper is 355g, while the aforementioned BBR60 is 77 grams. That's over half a pound. |
Originally Posted by AnkleWork
(Post 21229390)
If you would post in your native language then respondents could understand you better and you would receive more useful replies.
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I’ve multiple thousands of miles on Ultegra and 105 level HollowTech b-brackets. They are easy to install, the spacing is dead on with the matched derailer so the shifting is easier to setup and are generally a ton easier to install and/or service than a square taper.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 21229542)
Not sure what your problem is, but everyone else understood it just fine.
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I'm with Andrew the external bearings, while they brace the BB spindle better, seem to have a shorter life.
It may be because they are not as well protected, particularly from front wheel splash in wet conditions. Mark Petry Bainbridge Island, WA USA |
My experience with Shimano HTII external bottom brackets has been very good. I have two BB6700 (Ultegra level) bottom brackets mounting FC-5703 (105 level) triple cranks with over 25,000 miles each and still in excellent operating condition. These bikes aren't ridden in rain or snow if I can help it but they have gotten wet and splashed a number of times with no apparent problems.
Sample size = 2 but success = 100% |
Originally Posted by DrIsotope
(Post 21229528)
I have a Shimano SM-BBR60 here with +15k miles on it, installed on it's third frame. Bearings are still smooth.
And even though no one asked, a BB-UN26 square-taper is 355g, while the aforementioned BBR60 is 77 grams. That's over half a pound. |
Originally Posted by wgscott
(Post 21229501)
After faffing around with a White Industries square taper BB (a good, but rather expensive one) for a couple of years, I went back to the $18 Shimano Ultegra BB, and it felt the way it does when I stop hitting myself in the head with a hammer.
@Andrew R Stewart: sample size = 1.0 Edit: I just remembered my Crampy square taper BB survived about 35 years of malignant neglect. |
Originally Posted by dsbrantjr
(Post 21229605)
To make a fair comparison you would have to include the weight of the spindle, which the BBR60 does not have but which is part of the BB-UN26.
Even an economy crankset today will be at or under 800g, which with a ~80g BB is still lighter than a higher-end square taper crankset from 20 years ago. |
Hambini says a poorly aligned BB shell will cause premature bearing wear. Does a square taper cartridge unit isolate from those imperfections?
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Originally Posted by tyrion
(Post 21229688)
Hambini says a poorly aligned BB shell will cause premature bearing wear. Does a square taper cartridge unit isolate from those imperfections?
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Thanks everyone for the quick answers! I’ll try to answer each one individually.
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Originally Posted by berner
(Post 21229375)
I like that Hollowtech is easy to take apart for cleaning so ti gets cleaned.
The reason I’m replacing it is because it’s got some play and misalignment. As I’m still overweight, with 114kg (down from 157kg, all 43kg lost on this BB), I’d thought about upgrading to Hollowtech, if the durability factor worth it. |
Originally Posted by dedhed
(Post 21229388)
Well, I've replaced a cheap cartridge (Chin Heur) after a few K miles with a UN55 that probably has 5K miles on it and running fine. I probably have 10K on an 105 BB5600 HTII bottom bracket that is running fine.
Either one should give years/miles of trouble free service unless you're riding in very extreme conditions. I would forget the UN 26 and step up to a UN 55 for a few more $$ I don’t ride extreme, but I guess my weight still makes it kinda “extreme-y”, so to speak... |
Originally Posted by AnkleWork
(Post 21229390)
If you would post in your native language then respondents could understand you better and you would receive more useful replies.
BikeForums’s users have my respect on this regard, as I always got useful answers. That’s probably due to a broader audience, and to reach everyone the common ground is English, so be it. Please, don’t read that in a rough tone, that’s not my intention. I just couldn’t think of a better way to write it. |
Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
(Post 21229391)
For the numbers of external to shell bearings (Hollowtech) sold and their relative mid to better grades (as they are on more expensive bikes typically) I will say that we replace a lot. For the most part these are not really rebuildable and are regarded as disposable by the industry.
The tapered square BBs seem to be of better sealing in general and don't wear as rapidly. Especially since they are so much more common at the lower cost levels one might think their longevity should be less then external units. But our experience doesn't prove this assumption out. I'm sure others will have their opinions, perhaps they can offer some ideas as to how many they see a year:) so we know the foundation their opinions are based on. Andy |
Originally Posted by dedhed
(Post 21229442)
Just curious, How do you know what their native language is?
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Originally Posted by wgscott
(Post 21229501)
After faffing around with a White Industries square taper BB (a good, but rather expensive one) for a couple of years, I went back to the $18 Shimano Ultegra BB, and it felt the way it does when I stop hitting myself in the head with a hammer.
@Andrew R Stewart: sample size = 1.0 Edit: I just remembered my Crampy square taper BB survived about 35 years of malignant neglect. |
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