Bike lanes and group rides.
When I ride, and there are clear, mostly clean, bike lanes along the road, I tend to stay in them.
Several of the roads in this area have full 12' bike lanes (as wide as the traffic lanes), and while there are occasionally vehicles parked in them, it's uncommon. I was driving (hauling stuff to my new house) down this road yesterday, and there was a group of 5 riders. Of the 5, 2 were riding almost right on the fog line, and the other 3 were out in the traffic lane. Why would someone do this, other than to be a jerk? Is there some point they think they're making? If they were moving back over (and there is plenty of room to do so) when traffic came up behind them, I could at least chalk their behavior up to maybe trying to make sure they're seen, but they didn't even do that. As a cyclist, I find this even more annoying, because I know a lot of drivers paint us all with the same brush. |
From Google street view there are cars parked in this so-called bike lane every few hundred yards, alone or in a small group I would ride fairly close to or at the fog line to not get pinned between other traffic with poor lane awareness and avoiding a parked car or truck. That seems safest to me for this road. Utah roads are usually pretty wide (comped to some other Western states) and passing safely shouldn’t be an issue.
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I don't think it's particularly unique to cyclists. Most people live inside their very own personal reality bubble, in which no other people exist. They're not going out of their way to inconvenience others-- it's just how they are.
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Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane
(Post 21486749)
When I ride, and there are clear, mostly clean, bike lanes along the road, I tend to stay in them.
Several of the roads in this area have full 12' bike lanes (as wide as the traffic lanes), and while there are occasionally vehicles parked in them, it's uncommon. I was driving (hauling stuff to my new house) down this road yesterday, and there was a group of 5 riders. Of the 5, 2 were riding almost right on the fog line, and the other 3 were out in the traffic lane. Why would someone do this, other than to be a jerk? Is there some point they think they're making? If they were moving back over (and there is plenty of room to do so) when traffic came up behind them, I could at least chalk their behavior up to maybe trying to make sure they're seen, but they didn't even do that. As a cyclist, I find this even more annoying, because I know a lot of drivers paint us all with the same brush. The reality is that it took right next to no effort on your part to go around them. That needs to be an important part of our advocacy effort. That is to get motorists to deal with the reality that in most cases even if cyclists are being rude, they don't cause much of an issue at all. Motorists have to deal with far greater issues than the occasional rude cyclist. |
You need to blast out a recording of Jake Brakes, followed by an air horn blast
They'll get the idea. |
On rural roads, I ride the fog line, but move over when traffic comes up behind me.
The primary reason is to minimize exposure to glass, gravel, and debris. For group rides, it would depend on the road, traffic, conditions, and group. Side-by-side? Still, if it is truly a full unidirectional traffic lane path that is clean, there is no reason not to be several feet into the middle of the lane. :foo: Approaching critical intersections that could have right hooks? |
Not a fan of group rides, or big groups in general. They tend to become a swarm that pays zero attention to anything but themselves more like a herd than anything else and that can't be safe. Thankfully I don't come across it much just occasionally on bike trail.
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From what I see on Google Street View, that lane is not designated as a bike lane. It appears to be a parking lane from the curb markings and signage and from the positioning of the parked cars and trucks, the lane is not wide enough to accommodate cyclists outside of the door zone. It would depend on the lane condition and traffic, but I would likely ride within that lane close to the traffic lane, but move over well before any parked vehicles. The center lane gives everybody sufficient room to pass.
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In Illinois, a "lane" like that is really a parking area, not a bike lane. Personally, I would ride in it if I didn't have to swerve frequently to avoid parked cars AND ( that's a big and ) the lane had a clean, reasonably ridable surface.
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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost
(Post 21486937)
From what I see on Google Street View, that lane is not designated as a bike lane. It appears to be a parking lane from the curb markings and signage and from the positioning of the parked cars and trucks, the lane is not wide enough to accommodate cyclists outside of the door zone. It would depend on the lane condition and traffic, but I would likely ride within that lane close to the traffic lane, but move over well before any parked vehicles. The center lane gives everybody sufficient room to pass.
I would be well to the left of the fog line at this portion of the road. I will not ride in the doorzone, regardless of how they paint the lines. |
Originally Posted by caloso
(Post 21486956)
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I would be well to the left of the fog line at this portion of the road. I will not ride in the doorzone, regardless of how they paint the lines. But most of it, especially through just the neighborhood areas, have very few cars parked in that lane. That's where I saw this particular group. I wonder if it's more of a group dynamic thing or not. Single or even pairs of riders often ride along this stretch of road, and are easily within the parking/bike lane. It is designated as a bike lane with signs in a few places. |
Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane
(Post 21486976)
There are definitely a few stretches like that. For instance, there's a MUP crossing about 1 mile from my house, and people park there along both sides of the street, for about 1/4 mile in each direction.
But most of it, especially through just the neighborhood areas, have very few cars parked in that lane. That's where I saw this particular group. I wonder if it's more of a group dynamic thing or not. Single or even pairs of riders often ride along this stretch of road, and are easily within the parking/bike lane. It is designated as a bike lane with signs in a few places. |
We are traffic and traffic takes the lane. Passing in opposing lane when safe. Motorcycles found out the hard way. We should emulate....
The "magic protective paint" of the fog line/bike lane must be made of latex because, just like a condom, it gives you a false sense of security while getting screwed! |
Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane
(Post 21486749)
I was driving.... ....As a cyclist, I find this even more annoying, because I know a lot of drivers paint us all with the same brush. You can’t control others behind the wheels or behind the handlebars. -mr. bill |
Originally Posted by Oneder
(Post 21486904)
Not a fan of group rides, or big groups in general. They tend to become a swarm that pays zero attention to anything but themselves more like a herd than anything else and that can't be safe. Thankfully I don't come across it much just occasionally on bike trail.
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Originally Posted by MattTheHat
(Post 21489853)
What? Group rides aren’t safe?
Like lemmings, off a cliff. Lemmings don't really do that either, btw. |
Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane
(Post 21486749)
When I ride, and there are clear, mostly clean, bike lanes along the road, I tend to stay in them.
Several of the roads in this area have full 12' bike lanes (as wide as the traffic lanes), and while there are occasionally vehicles parked in them, it's uncommon. I was driving (hauling stuff to my new house) down this road yesterday, and there was a group of 5 riders. Of the 5, 2 were riding almost right on the fog line, and the other 3 were out in the traffic lane. 908-936 N Fairfield Rd, Layton, UT 84041 https://maps.app.goo.gl/bWc1jm9ivC9VTj6d8 12 feet??? It looks like a bike lane in between a parking lane and the travel lane. That middle lane isn't 12 feet wide. The parking lane isn't 12 feet wide (though, it's wider than the middle lane). The right-most lane isn't a bike lane (it has cars parked in it). |
Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane
(Post 21486976)
Single or even pairs of riders often ride along this stretch of road, and are easily within the parking/bike lane. It is designated as a bike lane with signs in a few places.
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I clicked in here because I really wanted to see a 12' wide bike lane. My weekly 50k route has it all-- some sharrows, a smattering of bike lane, a while trapped in the door zone, a 3-mile stretch without any shoulder whatsoever... but at no point is any bike lane wider than 3'.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
(Post 21492331)
I clicked in here because I really wanted to see a 12' wide bike lane. My weekly 50k route has it all-- some sharrows, a smattering of bike lane, a while trapped in the door zone, a 3-mile stretch without any shoulder whatsoever... but at no point is any bike lane wider than 3'.
Anyhow. Ride your ride. -mr. bill |
The OP never did tell us how it was so difficult negotiating the rude riders that he just had to rush to the keyboard to complain about it. I have found that his mindset is just like that of the most vocal anti-cycling motorists I have talked to. If you can get them to have a discussion they almost always admit that it really isn't an issue sharing the road with cyclists. Just hurt feelings.
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Originally Posted by caloso
(Post 21486956)
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I would be well to the left of the fog line at this portion of the road. I will not ride in the doorzone, regardless of how they paint the lines. When I got doored, I swerved but wasn't able to fully dodge the door in time. My shoe caught the edge/corner of the door, and got torn opened from pinky-toe to heel section of the shoe. Fortunately for me my foot was ok. The driver just said, "Sorry" and walked off while I sat there stunned. Door zones are more dangerous than lanes. Are you advocating for riders to choose a more dangerous position on the road? Let me repeat this point: Door zones are very dangerous to cyclists. I don't think anyone who cares about human life would knowingly want cycles to ride in a more dangerous position on the road. |
Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 21492073)
This is nutty.
Most of the time, there's basically just a full width lane that's used by bikes. It's easily wide enough to ride 3 wide with room to spare. I've often passed other riders with both of us well within the bounds of the lane (and that's in my velomobile). I just wonder sometimes why our fellow riders do what they do.... But then, people. :p |
Originally Posted by daoswald
(Post 21494232)
As someone who has been "doored", I would prefer being in the lane where approaching traffic can see me in front of them, rather than in the parking / door zone where oblivious occupants are likely to open their door without checking their mirror.
When I got doored, I swerved but wasn't able to fully dodge the door in time. My shoe caught the edge/corner of the door, and got torn opened from pinky-toe to heel section of the shoe. Fortunately for me my foot was ok. The driver just said, "Sorry" and walked off while I sat there stunned. Door zones are more dangerous than lanes. Are you advocating for riders to choose a more dangerous position on the road? Let me repeat this point: Door zones are very dangerous to cyclists. I don't think anyone who cares about human life would knowingly want cycles to ride in a more dangerous position on the road. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 21509121)
Just to the left of that fog line would be fine for me. From experience on a lot of very similar roads, that gives me enough perspective to see if anyone is on the driver side of the vehicle. I'd also pop right back to the right of the fog line as soon as I passed that group of cars.
If a cyclist were seven feet wide instead of 30 inches wide, so for example if we were slow moving vehicles towing a utility trailer, the expectation would be for approaching traffic to slow down, and pass only when it is safe and legal to do so. In this case, cyclists have the same right. If someone wants to change these laws, start a petition, get the required signatures to get it on the ballot, and let the vote happen. It will not pass. But at least it's pursuing the appropriate avenue rather than just making assertions are contrary to the laws, that cyclists need to get off the roads. |
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