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PdalPowr 12-15-19 10:06 AM

Is ordinary engine oil considered a wet lube?
 
I am eventually going to scare up some bike dedicated wet lube.
Until then I was wondering if engine oil would do to seal out the winter nasties.

DrIsotope 12-15-19 10:37 AM

Anything will work as a chain lubricant, over a short enough timeframe. Sure, single/multi-weight motor oil will work, but it's absolutely not what it was designed for. It will make the chain a jet black, filthy mess rather quickly, but it will stop rust from forming and probably keep things squeak-free.

FiftySix 12-15-19 02:03 PM

I've certainly used motor oil for chain lube when I've had nothing else on hand. If it wasn't for the fact that motor oil will sling all over your rear wheel, rim brake surface, and tire, I'd be okay with it.

ThermionicScott 12-15-19 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by FiftySix (Post 21246179)
I've certainly used motor oil for chain lube when I've had nothing else on hand. If it wasn't for the fact that motor oil will sling all over your rear wheel, rim brake surface, and tire, I'd be okay with it.

That's why you wipe off the chain thoroughly after applying. Motor oil (not used, please) has a long history of being a perfectly acceptable chain lube.

79pmooney 12-15-19 02:24 PM

I suspect if you apply the motor oil as carefully as you would very expensive bike chain lube, that the mess would be quite tolerable. Maybe use a Q-tip? Or a pocket knife. Dip blade into oil then along the inner-outer interface on each side of each link. Slow, But a careful job should work just fine and not be too messy and not throw oil. (And yes, motor oil is formulated for different challenges. Bike chains and normal riding are so un-demanding lubrication-wise that simple 3-1 oil works just fine. That motor oil will still be working when you get your pedal RPM up to 5000.

Ben

kingston 12-15-19 02:30 PM

I use motor oil on the bike I ride to the train station. Not a lot of miles, but I leave it outside a lot in all kinds of weather. The chain is almost 30 years old and still going strong.

PdalPowr 12-15-19 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by FiftySix (Post 21246179)
I've certainly used motor oil for chain lube when I've had nothing else on hand. If it wasn't for the fact that motor oil will sling all over your rear wheel, rim brake surface, and tire, I'd be okay with it.

Ah,you had me at tire.🤗
I don't ride quickly especially in the winter.
That means oil wouldn't get flung around much nor debris get picked up.
But oil on my nice Schwalbés is a no-no.

Thanks

FiftySix 12-15-19 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by PdalPowr (Post 21246254)
Ah,you had me at tire.🤗
I don't ride quickly especially in the winter.
That means oil wouldn't get flung around much nor debris get picked up.
But oil on my nice Schwalbés is a no-no.

Thanks

Lube slung from a chain or an internal gear hub is why I really don't like having cream colored tires on bicycles. Brown or tan sidewall, might be more tolerable for me, but black tires are my first choice. :D

dougiet 12-15-19 08:59 PM

Engine oil on a sponge against the chain will do, no oil sling.

prj71 12-16-19 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by PdalPowr (Post 21245950)
I am eventually going to scare up some bike dedicated wet lube.
Until then I was wondering if engine oil would do to seal out the winter nasties.

Why would you not just buy some bike chain oil. It's cheap.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=bike+chai...f=nb_sb_noss_2

Leebo 12-17-19 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by PdalPowr (Post 21245950)
I am eventually going to scare up some bike dedicated wet lube.
Until then I was wondering if engine oil would do to seal out the winter nasties.

Chain lube, tire psi, pedals and such, some have very strong opinions. Try this. Mobil syn lube, 0W20, with 2 parts mineral spirits. Apply lightly, wipe off before riding. You want a thin coat, not dripping off.

prj71 12-18-19 09:32 AM

Sigh...

Just spend $5-$10 and get some chain lube. Motor oil is not meant for chains.

Lubricants Not to Use!

While it's hard to say which lubricants are best for chains, some lubricants are real no-nos:
  • Automotive motor oil contains detergent, to wash away combustion products, and is made to be renewed constantly under pressure from the motor's oil pump. I [John Allen] rode once with someone who had used it the day before, and her chain was already squeaking.
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html#oil

jon c. 12-18-19 10:05 AM

I wouldn't use it now, but rode thousands of miles using it in my youth. I'm sure there was bike chain oil, but we weren't really hip to it. Every household had a squirt can filled with motor oil that was used for many general lubrication purposes, including bike chains.

trailangel 12-18-19 10:54 AM

If you have some 80w90 gear oil around, mix with some mineral spirits and use instead.

Miele Man 12-18-19 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by 79pmooney (Post 21246194)
I suspect if you apply the motor oil as carefully as you would very expensive bike chain lube, that the mess would be quite tolerable. Maybe use a Q-tip? Or a pocket knife. Dip blade into oil then along the inner-outer interface on each side of each link. Slow, But a careful job should work just fine and not be too messy and not throw oil. (And yes, motor oil is formulated for different challenges. Bike chains and normal riding are so un-demanding lubrication-wise that simple 3-1 oil works just fine. That motor oil will still be working when you get your pedal RPM up to 5000.

Ben

There's a surplus store not that far from me only about 7 kilometers each way and that store sells syringes. I get a couple and cut off the needle a bit from the tip. It's perfect for getting oil precisely where I want it. I often use motor oil for lubricating my chains and wipe off any excess.

Cheers

Happy Feet 12-18-19 06:14 PM

It's only cold pressed, extra virgin, locally sourced, ethical, non gmo olive oil for my bike but you do what you want.

Unrelated, but does anybody know where I can pick up a set of virtue signals for my bike? I like to be noticed in traffic.

DrIsotope 12-18-19 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by 79pmooney (Post 21246194)
That motor oil will still be working when you get your pedal RPM up to 5000.

It really wouldn't. Motor oil is designed to be operated under pressure in a sealed environment. Oil is kept inside an engine mechanically. Take an exposed chain drive to 5,000rpm, and the centrifugal motion and generated heat would have the chain almost completely clean within minutes. This is precisely why exposed chain drives in industrial applications use grease. Motor oil will work in the short term for as I said before, virtually anything will work in the short term. I don't eschew motor oil as a chain lubricant because I'm some kind of lubricant snob. I don't use it because it's absolutely the wrong material for the application.

trailangel 12-19-19 02:55 PM

Wax is a very, very, very short term solution.

DrIsotope 12-19-19 03:10 PM

500-700 miles per application in my experience... and everything stays clean.

masonv45 12-19-19 03:25 PM

Myself, I use motorcycle chain spray "wax". Works great and stays lubricated with no mess. Plus cheaper than bike chain specific lube.

PdalPowr 12-22-19 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Happy Feet (Post 21250449)
It's only cold pressed, extra virgin, locally sourced, ethical, non gmo olive oil for my bike but you do what you

Glass or plastic bottle?🤗

Miele Man 12-22-19 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by PdalPowr (Post 21254480)
Glass or plastic bottle?🤗

I MUST be in an AMBER glass bottle for best quality. LOL

Cheers

Novalite 12-23-19 02:38 PM

I never had more or less problems with engine oil than bike specific oil.
Only that the latter /liter cost is like 100 times the former.


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