Any Solutions
Seems the folks on this board can come up with ideas for any car-free circumstances. How about this one:
Every Saturday April-November I work 1/2 mile from home until 1:00, I have to be 25 miles away with 800-1000lbs of equipment by 2:00 for another job. Nearest rental location is 30 miles away. No trains, and only one local bus. I have to transport myself and an employee. Equipment cannot be left at point b, it must be transported every week. |
What is the exact nature of this 800-1000 pounds of equipment?
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I'm reminded of those classic word problems in grade school.
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Originally Posted by LandLuger
I'm reminded of those classic word problems in grade school.
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Originally Posted by Platy
What is the exact nature of this 800-1000 pounds of equipment?
2 CO2 bulk Tanks (200lbs) 40 paintball guns (160lbs) 40 Tanks (120lbs) 40 masks (80lbs) +more Equipment can't be left as it needs to be maintained and/or replaced every week. |
I would definitely have to challenge the assumptions.
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Originally Posted by Platy
True, the problem seems to have been carefully stated to foreclose any carfree solution. However it does present an opportunity to discuss and illuminate the issues.
To be clear, it is a 100% true situation. It is the only reason I am not car-free. I ride/walk everywhere except one day a week 8 months per year. I would definitely have to challenge the assumptions. |
Originally Posted by LandLuger
I would definitely have to challenge the assumptions.
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How about using this:
http://www.zapworld.com/ZAPWorld.aspx?id=4136 Not car-free per se, but oil free. |
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
To be clear, it is a 100% true situation. It is the only reason I am not car-free. I ride/walk everywhere except one day a week 8 months per year.
One thing we can speculate about is, how much would you have to change the situation for a carfree solution to work? You might have to back up all the way to framing the issue in terms of how would people get together on weekends for group recreation in a carfree world. I think in a carfree world it would be very important to pay attention to location and logistic support for recreational group activities. |
Originally Posted by LandLuger
How about using this:
http://www.zapworld.com/ZAPWorld.aspx?id=4136 Not car-free per se, but oil free. The problem is so much more involved than one action will ever solve. It involves land use issues, profit over ethics, transportation and soo much more. |
Originally Posted by Platy
You might have to back up all the way to framing the issue in terms of how would people get together on weekends for group recreation in a carfree world. I think in a carfree world it would be very important to pay attention to location and logistic support for recreational group activities.
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Your looking to make a business/job car free. That's a bit different than not owning a personal motor car.
Part of your job is transporting 1200lbs for 25 miles. Some businesses can not be successful and car free by their very nature. Others may require motor vehicle support that may be more effective if the support was owned/run by business. Al |
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
Where in the US can a car-free individual go with great outdoor/indoor recreation, good cultural activities and bars/restaurants.
Carfree consumers of have more flexibility. I try to make maximum use of local resources when it comes to recreation and leisure. Some activities are admittedly just plain out of carfree reach for me. Take fishing as an example. It's technically possible for me to fish locally here in urban Austin, but in practice it's not worked out at all well. Among other problems, unleashed dogs go after the bobbers and the last thing you want to do is to hook someone's pet. So I don't even try to fish locally any more. But I have other choices. Cycling has to be the single greatest recreational opportunity for the carfree. |
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
While I would love to see many of these types of vehicles, they still don't solve many of the problems associated with cars. You're still paying taxes, insurance, maintenance etc.
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
Also it is using a 2000lb machine to move two occupants and equipment totaling 1200lbs. A bike weighs 30 and can easily move 300.
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
The problem is so much more involved than one action will ever solve. It involves land use issues, profit over ethics, transportation and soo much more.
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Originally Posted by Platy
. . . unleashed dogs go after the bobbers and the last thing you want to do is to hook someone's pet.
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If you need a truck for your business, then get a truck for your business. If you use it only for business, have it titled to your company and take the deductions for it. Try to minimize usage, and use a clean and efficient machine. This will save you money and minimize environmental damage.
You know what? It is going to be at least 100 years, or more likely never, before all motorized vehicles are rendered useless. Someday we may develop sustainable motor transport for freight. But don't hold your breath. Meanwhile, using dwindling petroleum supplies for commercial vehicles only (or at least mainly) will conserve those fuel supplies, and also reduce the environmental harm done. I don't object to the use of commercial vehicles, at least until an alternative comes along. What I object to is the totally unnecessary squandering of resources, wasted on on the personal transport of people who could easily travel by some other means. |
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
8-20 cases paintballs (300lbs)
2 CO2 bulk Tanks (200lbs) 40 paintball guns (160lbs) 40 Tanks (120lbs) 40 masks (80lbs) +more Equipment can't be left as it needs to be maintained and/or replaced every week. 2. What exactly needs to be replaced and how does it get to your home? For example, if you have CO2 delivered to your home then have it delivered at the site instead. 3. Is there any way to give yourself a little more time? 25 miles/hour is going to be tough with that much equipment. If you can take off from your first job at 12:30 and postpone the event until 2:30 then you could get one of these quadricycles: http://worksmancycles.com/shopsite_s...dia/WTC4x4.jpg It holds 500 pounds and you can order it with a 7 speed hub. You can get an optional trailer to hold more (I'm not sure how much the trailer will hold, but you could always get two quads and have your employee ride one of them). Alternatively if you could shed some pounds via #1 or #2 then you might be able to just use 1 quad. There are also other quads from other manufacturers such as this one: http://www.rhoadescar.com/goboy1.jpg Holds 1,000 pounds and can be ordered with 6-36 speeds. 4. If you really can't budge on anything then you'll, gasp, have to do your own homework and call around. There is this double quad (two people, four wheels): http://www.rhoadescar.com/4w2plf-g.jpg However, I don't know how much weight it holds and what kind of gearing is available. It might be possible to do 25 mph with two people. If not then you might try contacting different quad manufacturer's to build a custom design for you. Even a custom design would probably be cheaper than your motorized truck. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadricycle However, I think it's a little unreasonable to say that you can't budge on your requirements. All forms of transportation have their limitations. You have to be a little flexible when switching between any two forms of transportation. What if you didn't have a drivers license? Would you say, "I can't wait a month to get a driver's license"? No, you would make yourself a little more flexible. |
Try to minimize usage, and use a clean and efficient machine. This will save you money and minimize environmental damage. |
Personally I think I would look for something like an electric truck Tiger Truck is one that comes to mind. Or possibly an electric assist for a cargo trike? They have some advantages over an infernal combustion engine. Only issue I can foresee would be licensing and road use. They are restricted in many areas and our right banned in others. In those cases the electric assist on a Bike/Trike would be the way to go.
Aaron:) |
Originally Posted by makeinu
1. What exactly needs to be maintained and why can't it be maintained on site before/after the event?
2. What exactly needs to be replaced and how does it get to your home? For example, if you have CO2 delivered to your home then have it delivered at the site instead. 3. Is there any way to give yourself a little more time? 25 miles/hour is going to be tough with that much equipment. 4. If you really can't budge on anything then you'll, gasp, have to do your own homework and call around. However, I think it's a little unreasonable to say that you can't budge on your requirements. All forms of transportation have their limitations. You have to be a little flexible when switching between any two forms of transportation. What if you didn't have a drivers license? Would you say, "I can't wait a month to get a driver's license"? No, you would make yourself a little more flexible. 2. Supplies are picked up before leaving town. 3. Schedule is fixed. Using this schedule I can make as much in one long day as the rest of the week. 4. To be honest this question was more of a conversation starter than a specific question that I expect a solution to. As a previous poster stated, it's a commercial use of a vehicle, the business more than pays the cost to own and operate a car. |
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
1. Equipment is in use until sunset. We have several hours of cleaning/maintenance that requires light and water.
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
2. Supplies are picked up before leaving town.
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
3. Schedule is fixed. Using this schedule I can make as much in one long day as the rest of the week.
Originally Posted by r8ingbull
4. To be honest this question was more of a conversation starter than a specific question that I expect a solution to. As a previous poster stated, it's a commercial use of a vehicle, the business more than pays the cost to own and operate a car.
II. So what if the business covers your car expenses? Those are lost profits. That money could be in your bank account instead of be burned in the engine. I agree that there are some situations and some businesses where motorized transport will be necessary. However, this is not one of them. |
Originally Posted by makeinu
I. The business may pay your cost to own and operate the car, but does it pay the total cost to humanity?
"Oh, the Humanity!" -- Herb Morrison, WLS Radio, May 6, 1937 |
You're being pretty vague for a non-hypothetical situation.
That your home and job are 25 miles apart is the #1 problem. If you didn't want to drive, they wouldn't be. |
Originally Posted by JeffS
You're being pretty vague for a non-hypothetical situation.
That your home and job are 25 miles apart is the #1 problem. If you didn't want to drive, they wouldn't be. |
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