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Originally Posted by Senrab62
(Post 21591129)
non-fixie love the thread and the bike. Just wanted to add some info for reference.
I have the same color and same size MK II with Stronglight 93, jubilee rear mech (original owner replaced front) challenger or jubilee front mech would have been from factory, and forged rear dropouts with hanger. I have also read some came with nervar star crank. The forged dropouts apparently was a 25.5" only thing (from what I have researched, so take with a grain of salt). Keep us posted with the progress. If you repaint are you going factory color scheme? I won't be repainting it in the original color scheme. One reason being that a truly correct reproduction is beyond my capabilities, the other that - to be honest - I don't really like these graphics. Also, a darker color sets off the chrome and aluminum much better. |
Are you going to keep the white headtube and seat tub at least, a Raleigh standard!
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 21591005)
Had a good think and decided to take the easy route, with the littlest chance of breaking important stuff or twisting the fork blades all out of alignment.
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Originally Posted by branko_76
(Post 21591359)
Never assume a 1970's Raleigh fork (or frame) are aligned.
-Kurt |
While the steerer is happily bubbling away in its lye bath ....
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ed939604fd.jpg ... I am getting ready for the next challenge. What do do with this dropout adjuster screw? https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9ebd86efc5.jpg |
The bike that keeps on giving.
Cut it flush, easy out, or drill out, or other. Unfortunately the very small m3 screw and threads are prone to damage when drilling. I dont have any recommendations as to how to get it out. Can you cut the plastic crescent moon piece away and grab the screw from the inside of the dropout? |
Doh!
While I was looking at the dropout adjuster it began to dawn on me that the dropout can't be threaded, or the adjuster wouldn't work. And indeed, the screw almost fell out by itself. What remains of this challenge is finding a couple of replacement screws. |
Turns out I have a couple of adjuster screws that fit. Slightly shorter than the original (left), but close enough, I think.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...74634f338a.jpg |
I ended up using cheap gin, instead of the aforementioned Mojitos, but it worked equally well. :)
How clean is that steerer? https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...91d3c30f3f.jpg |
Any update on this build? Was really enjoying how this one was coming together - or rather, apart ;)
-Kurt |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 21671145)
Any update on this build? Was really enjoying how this one was coming together - or rather, apart ;)
-Kurt Since my previous post I cleaned the frame, re-painted it, wasn't at all happy with the result, de-painted it. So, a lot of work? Yes. Any progress? No. :( |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 21672161)
Since my previous post I cleaned the frame, re-painted it, wasn't at all happy with the result, de-painted it. So, a lot of work? Yes. Any progress? No. :(
Any ideas for the new repaint? -Kurt |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 21672161)
Well ....
Since my previous post I cleaned the frame, re-painted it, wasn't at all happy with the result, de-painted it. So, a lot of work? Yes. Any progress? No. :( (I *HATE* spray painting) |
Price of c&v membership |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 21673144)
Hey, at least it couldn't get any worse than it was.
Any ideas for the new repaint? -Kurt
Originally Posted by RandolphCarter
(Post 21673335)
Not happy with the color, or not happy with the quality?
(I *HATE* spray painting) However, in this case the results looked less than pleasing. It looked like crap, to be exact. Whether it was a matter of below-par preparation, my brushing technique or the fact that gloss black paint shows imperfections more than any other color, I don't know. But it looked like crap. :( For now, Plan B is to sand the frame again, with an even finer grit, and use a spray paint. I have got the idea that this frame needs to be black, with chrome socks and gold lug lining, firmly planted into my head. |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 21676350)
What I did was paint it black, with a brush. I have used a brush before, and liked the results. It had that "hand-painted, smooth but slightly less than perfect" finish that jibes nicely with a vintage bike.
However, in this case the results looked less than pleasing. It looked like crap, to be exact. Whether it was a matter of below-par preparation, my brushing technique or the fact that gloss black paint shows imperfections more than any other color, I don't know. But it looked like crap. :( For now, Plan B is to sand the frame again, with an even finer grit, and use a spray paint. I have got the idea that this frame needs to be black, with chrome socks and gold lug lining, firmly planted into my head. |
Originally Posted by Senrab62
(Post 21591129)
non-fixie love the thread and the bike. Just wanted to add some info for reference.
I have the same color and same size MK II with Stronglight 93, jubilee rear mech (original owner replaced front) challenger or jubilee front mech would have been from factory, and forged rear dropouts with hanger. I have also read some came with nervar star crank. The forged dropouts apparently was a 25.5" only thing (from what I have researched, so take with a grain of salt). Keep us posted with the progress. If you repaint are you going factory color scheme? https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e888deab68.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...20284eb92d.jpg Shift levers and BB cable guide are Huret, which might suggest they are original rather than an upgrade. Luxe Competition hubs, Atom 700 pedals. Unfortunately, the FD clamp is broken, which explains why it is so close to the chainwheel..:( https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99954c9130.jpg non-fixie I think black and gold Raleighs look great. Here is a Gran Tour I need to clean up: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8710d9dac8.jpg |
Originally Posted by Schreck83
(Post 21902004)
Just brought home another 25.5" Mark II with Huret dropouts, Jubilee derailleurs and a Stronglight 93 crankset.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e888deab68.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...20284eb92d.jpg Shift levers and BB cable guide are Huret, which might suggest they are original rather than an upgrade. Luxe Competition hubs, Atom 700 pedals. Unfortunately, the FD clamp is broken, which explains why it is so close to the chainwheel..:( https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99954c9130.jpg non-fixie I think black and gold Raleighs look great. Here is a Gran Tour I need to clean up: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8710d9dac8.jpg My SC is currently hibernating, as am I. Come spring work will resume. :) |
Wow! Your Mk II came with all the upgrades. Seems to me that the Stronglight 93 could be converted to a triple just by adding a chainring in place of that guard, not that the Jubilee in the rear would be happy about wrapping more chain. Too bad about the broken clamp on the front mech, but those FDs really are too delicate - you can see clearly in the photo how little metal there actually is where they break.
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Originally Posted by daka
(Post 21902182)
Wow! Your Mk II came with all the upgrades. Seems to me that the Stronglight 93 could be converted to a triple just by adding a chainring in place of that guard, not that the Jubilee in the rear would be happy about wrapping more chain. Too bad about the broken clamp on the front mech, but those FDs really are too delicate - you can see clearly in the photo how little metal there actually is where they break.
Not sure if they are upgrades so much as specification creep or using what was on hand. The Super Tourer had Jubilee mechs, Luxe Competition hubs and Stronglight 93 cranks, along with the Gran Sport. Both of these models probably sold in lower numbers than the SuperCourse, so parts could be raided as needed. |
I didn't mean to suggest that the "upgrades" occurred later in the life of the bike. I saw all of those items on new Super Course MkIIs when I worked at a Raleigh dealer in the '70s, but never all on the same bike. My personal suspicion is that neither Huret or Nervar could keep up with their commitments to Raleigh during the boom years and were sometimes forced to substitute up-market (lower demand) items of which they had inventory.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 21578545)
There is the price, as in the quite reasonable yearly fee one pays for the stylish yellow jersey next to one's screen name, and there is the real price, as in the consequences of one's regular visits to this forum and becoming assimilated into the C&V Collective.
This is about the latter, of course. Until today I had never seen a Raleigh Super Course in real life. I don't believe they were ever sold here. Yet, ever since I joined this forum I felt that not having one meant I had a void in my life. I mean, this thread spans 89 pages, and after ten years I am still not in it! :( So, when this dilapidated 1976 Mk II turned up in the local classifieds in my size, I could not resist. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e34cde6672.jpg Lots of clues point to it being a personal import from the US: the reflectors, the spoke protector, the Pletscher rack: https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0fe5dd5dd3.jpg The Avocet Touring saddle: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...965ad506bd.jpg The real give-away are of course the schrader valves: https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4f200e4c77.jpg Apparently the bike has been left outside for quite some time. The chrome on the frame looks like it might clean up reasonably well, and there is still some life in the Huret Jubilee déreailleur: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...908108288c.jpg Other parts look to be beyond salvation: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...01fb2b9f87.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...270109daff.jpg I need to think about what to do with it: keep it original (which it seems to be), restore it, or restomod it. Whatever the outcome, another lock-down might actually come in handy, as this will be a time-consuming project. :) |
Originally Posted by swampyankee2
(Post 22425997)
That looks to be in the same shape as my Raleigh Sports resto project is, except mine was entombed in a dank cellar for 30+ years. There is an early Super Course (cottered crank, line-thru "Super Course" script) for sale locally for a price commensurate to its condition. Would've loved to have it but I was looking for a cheap project so I picked up a much cheaper Dawes Galaxy instead. I haven't done much with the Galaxy yet, but as I get into it, I'm sure the project will pay my membership dues...
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Price of C&V membership?
As seen above, It always involves refurbishment/maintenance. Sometimes a bit of frustration. I'm behind on my dues and need to wrap up many projects. By-and-large all the stuff is in-house. Except the human effort. |
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https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...20284eb92d.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99954c9130.jpg --- this submodel of Verot's 93 with the chainguard has two unique features because the guard seats where the outer chainwheel is normally mounted it is necessary to employ three-plateau chainwheel bolts for the two-plateau chainset because the inner chainwheel is mounted inboard of its normal seat a bottom bracket spindle intended for a three-plateau chainset must be employed to yield a good chainline with adequate clearance (model 125) --- https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9ebd86efc5.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...74634f338a.jpg whilst all others who have chosen to abide within the very limited confines of the known universe have selected a thread of 3.0mm X .5 for this application the folk at Freres Huret, in their infinite wisdom, decided upon a thread of 3.0mm X .6 for this --- wrt variations in kitting on the Super Course Mk.II - enjoyed seeing them for their several upgrade combinations at me local Sir Wally dealerships back when they were current some were kitted as shown in the catalogue some received an upgrade from the Challenger to the Jubile gear ensemble some received an upgrade from the NERVAR Sport chainset to the NERVAR Star and some received both upgrades --- occurs to me that we are now at about one hundred posts for this thread wondering if this may make it the longest Super Course thread on the forum - and it doesn't even have "Super Course" in the header! ----- |
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