Front derailleur issues
So I have been unable to shift to the largest cassette in my front gears ... I followed the park tutorial on how to tune your front derailleur but it still didn't work. To get to the root of the problem I loosened my H screw all the way and it still didn't shift their. Eventually I just disconnected the shifter wire and removed both limiter screws. Manually pushing on the derailleur moved all the way to just before the big wheel on the cassette but my estimation is that the position is still between the big wheel and middle wheel. Any idea how to fix this? The bike ised to shift fine before this is a somewhat new issue
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When you say "Manually pushing on the derailleur moved all the way to just before the big wheel on the cassette but my estimation is that the position is still between the big wheel and middle wheel." what do you mean? With the cable detached there is no "position", did you reconnect the cable and not tell us?
The front system has two major parts. One is the front der and how it's positioned WRT the rings and also how far in and outward it can move. This is set independent of the shift lever. I find it easiest to set the der/ring shifting when only pulling on an exposed portion of the cable (and if you have internal routing...) The second aspect is how the lever's pull (with each step being a double or triple) actually moves the der into a point along the der's range (already established) that both accomplishes the shift and doesn't allow chain rub after (and this involves any trim functions and their contribution to rub/no rub/shifting. It's ironic that as shifting systems have gotten more feature packed they have also become more difficult to set up and keep in adjustment for so many. There's a reason why many revert back to friction levers and that at the same time the industry is trying to eliminate the front der all together. Andy (who dislikes less gears of a poor range with greater ratio gaps "forced" on him) |
So if I get this right, you removed cable and the limit screws but the derailleur still wont fully reach your big ring?
if this is the case, something is way off. Post a pic? www.buckyrides.com ig: jbucky1 |
Originally Posted by jbucky1
(Post 21293060)
So if I get this right, you removed cable and the limit screws but the derailleur still wont fully reach your big ring?
if this is the case, something is way off. Post a pic? www.buckyrides.com ig: jbucky1 https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1e25b3bb42.jpg |
Make certain you have the cable routed properly. Improper routing can prevent the shifter from positioning the derailleur in the proper location.
What make and model derailleur are you using? Is it possible for you to post a picture of how the cable is routed to the anchor bolt on the derailleur? |
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
(Post 21293077)
Make certain you have the cable routed properly. Improper routing can prevent the shifter from positioning the derailleur in the proper location.
What make and model derailleur are you using? Is it possible for you to post a picture of how the cable is routed to the anchor bolt on the derailleur? |
Originally Posted by jbucky1
(Post 21293078)
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With the cable connected, you should just be able to pull it by hand (sideways) and get the FDER to shift all the way off the big ring with the limit screw backed out.
A simple test of the FDER. BTW-Cassette is a rear hub part. For the front, we call them chain rings of just rings. |
Originally Posted by oik01
(Post 21293092)
No. I did install new pedals though. I was wondering actually if the crank/ cassette may be loosened up and a little further out than they're supposed to be? Is there a way to bring them closer to the body of the bike?
Seemingly obvious question, but may as well get it out the way.... did this front derailleur used to work with this current crank setup? www.buckyrides.com ig: jbucky1 |
Originally Posted by jbucky1
(Post 21293113)
Having heard that I don't think crank / bb is an issue. Something else is happening that is not allowing you full swing / full movement on that front derailleur. Did you change anything-else?
Seemingly obvious question, but may as well get it out the way.... did this front derailleur used to work with this current crank setup? www.buckyrides.com ig: jbucky1 |
Sorry mate, wish I could help further given the info. Sure if I had my hands on it I could tell you in a matter of seconds but I cannot think what has gone whacky over the web. I thin you should ride it in the middle gear to an LBS.
good luck www.buckyrides.com ig: jbucky1 |
Originally Posted by jbucky1
(Post 21293154)
Sorry mate, wish I could help further given the info. Sure if I had my hands on it I could tell you in a matter of seconds but I cannot think what has gone whacky over the web. I thin you should ride it in the middle gear to an LBS.
good luck www.buckyrides.com ig: jbucky1 |
You most likely have already done this, but considering all the other things you have done, and that it was working before, the only thing left I can think of is maybe a small pebble, piece of wood, or something is stuck in the der??
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As a last resort, have you removed the DER from the bike frame and examined the action? Off the bike you might get a better idea as to what is limiting the action of the fence?
I ended up doing this to a FDER and found what my issue was. Just an idea. Frank. |
Originally Posted by oik01
(Post 21292981)
The bike ised to shift fine before this is a somewhat new issue
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At this point you need to remove the front derailleur and inspect for obstructions. No amount of tuning and procedural research is going to cure a mechanical problem with the front derailleur.
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IF the OP followed Post#9, they could at least isolate the problem.
Or is pulling a cable too hard to do? |
Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun
(Post 21294005)
IF the OP followed Post#9, they could at least isolate the problem.
Or is pulling a cable too hard to do? |
Originally Posted by jadocs
(Post 21294480)
See post number 4. He took the limit screws out, disconnected the cable...and still can’t move the derailleur all the way out by hand.
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It is very difficult to move a F der by hand without a cable, so I find this test to be of limited usefulness. As others have said, pulling on the cable - usually you can pull down on the exposed run of cable where it is between two stops on the frame - is a much better way to check how far the derailleur can move. You could also reconnect the cable, shift into the 'highest' gear, then you only need to move the derailleur a bit more.
Also, removing the L limit screw will only make it more difficult to get things set up as it holds the derailleur in place when you connect the cable - if the L limit screw has the derailleur roughly above the small ring and the shifter is in position to have the derailleur in the small ring, when you connect the cable, the derailleur should be in the correct ballpark for adjustment. Also, can yo add a picture of the derailleur as viewed from the side? The height and alignment of the derailleur WRT the big chainring is important and cannot be seen in your photo. |
Also, in the picture the chain is on the small ring and you are trying to push the derailleur to see if it lines up with the big ring. In this scenario, the chain is going to be blocking the movement of the derailleur so it is almost impossible to figure out how far the derailleur can move.
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
(Post 21298000)
Also, in the picture the chain is on the small ring and you are trying to push the derailleur to see if it lines up with the big ring. In this scenario, the chain is going to be blocking the movement of the derailleur so it is almost impossible to figure out how far the derailleur can move.
I've followed some instructions on here ... Got closer but need to make the cable tighter ... I'm not sure why my cable isn't getting enough tension. I unscrew the barrel adjuster all the way out and then have to screw it back in to unscrew again ... How do you stop the cable from coming back as you screw the derailleur back in ( undoing all the tension you had achieved?) I tried to hold the cable tense as I screw back in but then as soon as I let go of the cable it just goes through the barrel adjuster and it's loose again |
Originally Posted by oik01
(Post 21298734)
I've followed some instructions on here ... Got closer but need to make the cable tighter ... I'm not sure why my cable isn't getting enough tension. I unscrew the barrel adjuster all the way out and then have to screw it back in to unscrew again ... How do you stop the cable from coming back as you screw the derailleur back in ( undoing all the tension you had achieved?) I tried to hold the cable tense as I screw back in but then as soon as I let go of the cable it just goes through the barrel adjuster and it's loose again
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Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun
(Post 21298762)
You've answered very few questions asked. Maybe someone else has patience?
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