Better Steel Balls for Bearing
Hi there,
Does anyone know how to differentiate a better ball bearing from lesser one.? If you dont mind I prefer also the brand. |
The balls used in bearings conform to very precisely defined standards. Search for steel ball grade system or a similar phrase for information.
Grade 25 balls are better than you need, but the cost difference is low enough that they're a cheap indulgence. |
Ceramic balls offer many advantages; nearly all are inapplicable to bicycle service, so save yourself some money, get grade 25 chrome steel balls and enjoy your ride.
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Bearing balls use a numerical grading system that indicated roundness and tolerances. The lower the grade number, the better the roundness, etc. For example Grade 25 balls are "better" than Grade 100. For bicycle use, Grade 200 or better is perfectly satisfactory but, as FBinNY noted, the cost difference is so small so most mechanics will use Grade 25 balls.
All the big bearing manufactures (SKF, Timken, etc.) make bearing balls but finding a specific brand name is difficult since they are only sold directly in very large quantities. So the ones you find in reasonable numbers (packages of 25 or 100) in bike shops or on-line dealers are repackaged by distributors under either a generic on distributor brand name. |
You can get bearings just about anywhere, but I had good buys from these guys. Check out the cycle bearing section, some ok info and reviews for various grades.
search.. simplybearings . co . uk Sorry, I don't have enough post before I can post links |
I got tired of chrome pealing off of steel bearings.
The last batch of bearings I bought were 440 Stainless bearings from BC Precision. https://www.bcprecision.com/collecti...-bearing-balls Bulk prices seemed fairly reasonable. I haven't been riding on them long enough to get a long term report yet, but they built up nicely. I have tried a few Chinese import Si3N4 ceramic bearings off of E-Bay. Not too bad for buying enough for one or two wheels. So far so good, although it is time to tear down and inspect a few wheels. |
huka- Are you having problems with your current bearings? Andy
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 20226038)
I got tired of chrome pealing off of steel bearings.
The last batch of bearings I bought were 440 Stainless bearings from BC Precision. Stainless steel bearing balls are typically purchased for their corrosion resistance, not for improved wear. The 400-series stainless steels can be hardened but not to the extent that "chrome steel" balls can be. |
They put a sticker on the bag of a thousand, when I bough some at an industrial bearing store , in Eugene..
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Chrome Steel Grade 25 Chrome steel bearing balls are widely used in precision ball bearings as well as most aerospace, transportation and industrial applications. Chromium (Cr) has a tendency to increase hardness, toughness and wear resistance of steel. Chrome steel is a chrome alloy carbon steel, not a chrome plated steel. Chrome steel balls have excellent surface quality, high hardness and high load bearing capacity as a result of through hardening (Rockwell C 60-67).Chrome steel is approximately 96% iron and capable of being attracted by a magnet 440c Stainless Steel Grade 25 AISI type 440-C stainless steel balls afford the advantage of maximum hardness (58-65 Rockwell C ) combined with corrosion-resisting properties making them especially useful for bearing applications in severe environmental condition. 440-C stainless steel is a high carbon martensitic stainless steel with moderate corrosion resistance and high strength and the ability to keep excellent hardness in heavy service. https://bearingballstore.com/ |
Originally Posted by SquidPuppet
(Post 20227114)
Grade 25 AISI type 440-C stainless steel balls afford the advantage of maximum hardness (58-65 Rockwell C ) combined with corrosion-resisting properties...
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 20226038)
I got tired of chrome pealing off of steel bearings.
The last batch of bearings I bought were 440 Stainless bearings from BC Precision. https://www.bcprecision.com/collecti...-bearing-balls Bulk prices seemed fairly reasonable. I haven't been riding on them long enough to get a long term report yet, but they built up nicely. I have tried a few Chinese import Si3N4 ceramic bearings off of E-Bay. Not too bad for buying enough for one or two wheels. So far so good, although it is time to tear down and inspect a few wheels. Stainless steel is softer, at least the affordable type. Normal Grade 25 off Amazon is fine. No need to make this more expensive. |
We could get by with high quality sintered bronze bushings. Nothing on a bike is high speed or high load.
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Originally Posted by davidad
(Post 20227419)
We could get by with high quality sintered bronze bushings. Nothing on a bike is high speed or high load.
But our bearings do see both axial and radial loads. Bushings don't handle axial forces well as really cheap kids' bikes show after a bit of abuse. I do agree that we tend to be too anal WRT the bearings we think we are using. Andy |
Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
(Post 20227923)
.....we tend to be too anal WRT the bearings we think we are using. Andy
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Keep in mind that the grade of the ball bearing should match the grade of the races. If you go with super hard balls, that may cause wear to the races. And replace all bearings, not just singles, and always replace with bearings from the same batch.
Not that I answered the OP's question, but I thought worth mentioning. |
Originally Posted by Rogerogeroge
(Post 20228087)
Keep in mind that the grade of the ball bearing should match the grade of the races. If you go with super hard balls, that may cause wear to the races. And replace all bearings, not just singles, and always replace with bearings from the same batch.
Not that I answered the OP's question, but I thought worth mentioning. Some say Grade 100 is good enough (we have a bicycle only, not a gas turbine etc.), so Grade 25 is good enough and still cheap. Dirt has 100000 more impact than the slight size differences. |
About 30 years ago before the internet and at a time when I had just picked up a used bike (full campy), I thought I'd become an "expert" and research and find bearings that would decrease any resistance and make me a great rider. After calling several manufacturers and told them the grade of the campy bearings (I believe 25) they ALL asked me why would I want anything better than that. From that day on, bearings have never been a concern.
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Originally Posted by Rogerogeroge
(Post 20228087)
Keep in mind that the grade of the ball bearing should match the grade of the races. If you go with super hard balls, that may cause wear to the races. And replace all bearings, not just singles, and always replace with bearings from the same batch.
Not that I answered the OP's question, but I thought worth mentioning. oger (who?) writes: > Did you know you should only ever use ball bearings from the same > batch in one side of a race? They're not exactly the same size > between batches. Never simply replace that naughty one that bounced > into the corner of the garage - replace the other 10 (or whatever) > too! You are making this up. The tolerance between bearing balls is so small as to be below a small fraction of the elastic compliance of the steel bearing. Besides, the races of bicycle bearings are so rough that a tight bearing feels lumpy. In high precision bearings used on computer disk storage devices, preload causes a smooth viscous drag. Even for these bearings the balls are not identical but are made to a prescribed tolerance. I don't believe I understand what you mean by the same batch. Each bearing is not made in the same finishing process as the others in a shipment of balls. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt@hpl.hp.com> |
FWIW, i have a Wheels manufacturing bottom bracket coming in. It has angular bearings so it cost a little more. Maybe this means it`s better? I aim to find out :)
https://www.bikerumor.com/2013/04/24...-install-tool/ |
Originally Posted by TakingMyTime
(Post 20228650)
About 30 years ago before the internet and at a time when I had just picked up a used bike (full campy), I thought I'd become an "expert" and research and find bearings that would decrease any resistance and make me a great rider. After calling several manufacturers and told them the grade of the campy bearings (I believe 25) they ALL asked me why would I want anything better than that. From that day on, bearings have never been a concern.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 20227151)
True but chrome steel bearings can be hardened to Rc 60-66 or so without becoming brittle and cost less. Their hardness benefit isn't major but unless the corrosion resistance is needed, chrome steel is more than adequate.
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
(Post 20227923)
But our bearings do see both axial and radial loads. Bushings don't handle axial forces well as really cheap kids' bikes show after a bit of abuse.
I do agree that we tend to be too anal WRT the bearings we think we are using. Andy |
Originally Posted by davidad
(Post 20228706)
You are kidding about the same batch superstition, right?
oger (who?) writes: > Did you know you should only ever use ball bearings from the same > batch in one side of a race? They're not exactly the same size > between batches. Never simply replace that naughty one that bounced > into the corner of the garage - replace the other 10 (or whatever) > too! You are making this up. The tolerance between bearing balls is so small as to be below a small fraction of the elastic compliance of the steel bearing. Besides, the races of bicycle bearings are so rough that a tight bearing feels lumpy. In high precision bearings used on computer disk storage devices, preload causes a smooth viscous drag. Even for these bearings the balls are not identical but are made to a prescribed tolerance. I don't believe I understand what you mean by the same batch. Each bearing is not made in the same finishing process as the others in a shipment of balls. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt@hpl.hp.com> |
Originally Posted by Rogerogeroge
(Post 20229702)
What I'm saying is if you have to replace 18 bearings in your rear hub, and you have a year old bag with five bearings left, don't combine them with a bag you just bought. The old bearings might be 0.12504 inch plus or minus .00001 inch, and the new batch is 0.12506 inch but still plus or minus .00001 inch. So you could end up matching a 0.12503 ball from the old batch with a 0.12507 bearings from the new batch, which could be a significant variation. I'm pulling numbers out of my head trying to illustrate the point, but I've read something to this effect.
On a grade 25 ball, the entire range of +/- is not wide enough to matter in a bicycle application. |
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