'[New Mexico] House passes legislation to enhance bicycle safety'
'Drivers in New Mexico would have to stay at least 5 feet away as they pass bicyclists on the road under legislation that passed the state House late Friday. ' |
Nice idea but how to enforce it? Most drivers give me five feet already and the ones who don't obviously don't care what the law is.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20808744)
Nice idea but how to enforce it? Most drivers give me five feet already and the ones who don't obviously don't care what the law is.
https://www.dutchreach.org/close-pas...bility-letter/ |
Originally Posted by CB HI
(Post 20808818)
It is easy enough to attach a system to a police bicycle (laser or sonic range finder with data system) just like laser speeding systems. One cop on bicycle and one cop ahead to pull over offenders.
https://www.dutchreach.org/close-pas...bility-letter/ Two cops tied up all day ... and suppose not one cyclist goes by? Look, if a cop is on hand to witness an unsafe pass, his/her word is enough ... court testimony from a cop carries a good bit of weight. And mostly, if there is a cop around, drivers are extra-cautious anyway. The "enforcement" question is more for the 99.999 % of the time when there is no cop around. Look, the 3-foot rule would be more than adequate---if all motorists observed it. The ones who ignore three would ignore five, I posit. I am not against the law, but i don't see where it will change much. |
The key point about safe passing laws is that, if you're hit, the driver has broken the law. This may be little consolation, but it will save at least some arguments usually used by drivers, esp. the "suicide swerve", since it will be considerably more difficult to persuade judges/juries that such an action took place.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20808744)
Nice idea but how to enforce it?
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LOL hahahahahahahahahah :winter:
Are these idiots for real??? Here's a bid 3 ft 3 ft 3 ft, who else gonna bid bid bid, FOUR ft, 4 ft , 4 ft, gimmie a bid a bid a nuther bid.... FIVE ft, 5 ft, 5 ft, bid bid bid no ... closed. SOLD another horses A$$ Do they also tell bikes to stay the hell out of the left track??? Nooooooooooooooo Do we need more STUPID laws?? Noooooooooooooo |
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Oftentimes these laws come into play is when a cyclist is buzzed and has video evidence. There are marginal passes of people just not thinking or misjudge distances but there are people who intentionally try to come as close as possible. At least with a law like this if you are struck, there is one more charge that can be applied to a motorist.
We are lucky that the local LEOs around where I live are very friendly with the cycling community. Animal control is also very keen on loose dogs due to some high profile dog incidents. |
Current problem is police enforcement. When people see the police, they behave themselves.
So if the bike police should dress up as regular riders, their ghost-car companions would be able to nab a whole lot of violaters. |
I bike in a city grid most of the time. Cars and cyclists are literally elbow to elbow at relatively slow speeds. I am happy to get passed with ONE foot to spare, much less three or five and would not want motorists ticketed for such anyway. I often split lanes with less than 3-feet on BOTH sides of me. So it's hard to hold motorists to a different standard, although it is a rare moment in the city when any car is passing me anyway. Just don't hit me and I'm good!
On the open road where cars are driving 50+ mph? Yeah, I would like a couple of feet for margin of error. But I quit cycling those places so it is no longer an issue for me. |
Originally Posted by Daniel4
(Post 20809732)
Current problem is police enforcement. When people see the police, they behave themselves. So if the bike police should dress up as regular riders, their ghost-car companions would be able to nab a whole lot of violaters.
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...r-else/308339/ |
Originally Posted by atbman
(Post 20808958)
The key point about safe passing laws is that, if you're hit, the driver has broken the law. This may be little consolation, but it will save at least some arguments usually used by drivers, esp. the "suicide swerve", since it will be considerably more difficult to persuade judges/juries that such an action took place.
I googled the wiki and it says there is a trend against using this theory, however. |
Originally Posted by Arthur Peabody
(Post 20808686)
https://www.abqjournal.com/1284191/h...ke-safety.html It confused the Republicans, unsurprisingly.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20808855)
Hmmm .... yeah, but No.
Two cops tied up all day ... and suppose not one cyclist goes by? Look, if a cop is on hand to witness an unsafe pass, his/her word is enough ... court testimony from a cop carries a good bit of weight. And mostly, if there is a cop around, drivers are extra-cautious anyway. The "enforcement" question is more for the 99.999 % of the time when there is no cop around. Look, the 3-foot rule would be more than adequate---if all motorists observed it. The ones who ignore three would ignore five, I posit. I am not against the law, but i don't see where it will change much. https://www.dutchreach.org/close-pas...bility-letter/https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe6b5d5b3c.png |
Originally Posted by seeker333
(Post 20809954)
Yes, laws without enforcement are useless, or worse.
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...r-else/308339/ |
Originally Posted by CB HI
(Post 20810352)
It is really BS when you respond to post without even looking at the links provided in the post you are responding too. You are not all knowing. If you had read the link, you would know one cop in on a bicycle equipped with the measuring device for distance evidence and video. And the enforcement has been in use for several years.
https://www.dutchreach.org/close-pas...bility-letter/
Originally Posted by CB HI
(Post 20808818)
It is easy enough to attach a system to a police bicycle (laser or sonic range finder with data system) just like laser speeding systems. One cop on bicycle and one cop ahead to pull over offenders.
Sorry if it offends you when I respond to what posters actually post. In your case,... should I make an exception and only respond to stuff you didn't say? (Tip: if you don’t want people to reply to your words, don’t use words. If your words and your link don’t have the same meaning, fix whichever needs to be fixed. Getting upset because people responded to What You Actually Typed instead of your intended meaning, which you never expressed, shows a lot of issues in need of address.) In any case .... maybe You, instead of trying to one-up my on the internet, should actually try to understand the ideas being expressed. For instance, when I said,
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20808855)
Look, if a cop is on hand to witness an unsafe pass, his/her word is enough ... court testimony from a cop carries a good bit of weight. And mostly, if there is a cop around, drivers are extra-cautious anyway.
The "enforcement" question is more for the 99.999 % of the time when there is no cop around |
Originally Posted by seeker333
(Post 20809954)
Yes, laws without enforcement are useless, or worse.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20808744)
Nice idea but how to enforce it? Most drivers give me five feet already and the ones who don't obviously don't care what the law is.
Originally Posted by CB HI
(Post 20808818)
It is easy enough to attach a system to a police bicycle (laser or sonic range finder with data system) just like laser speeding systems. One cop on bicycle and one cop ahead to pull over offenders.
https://www.dutchreach.org/close-pas...bility-letter/
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20808855)
Hmmm .... yeah, but No.
Two cops tied up all day ... and suppose not one cyclist goes by? ...
Originally Posted by CB HI
(Post 20810352)
It is really BS when you respond to post without even looking at the links provided in the post you are responding too. You are not all knowing. If you had read the link, you would know one cop on a bicycle equipped with the measuring device for distance evidence and video. And the enforcement has been in use for several years.
https://www.dutchreach.org/close-pas...bility-letter/https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fe6b5d5b3c.png
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20810726)
I suggest you learn to read and comprehend. (Emphasis added in following quote:)
One plus One equaled Two when I want to school. Maybe where you went, 2+2=5? Sorry if it offends you when I respond to what posters actually post. In your case,... should I make an exception and only respond to stuff you didn't say? (Tip: if you don’t want people to reply to your words, don’t use words. If your words and your link don’t have the same meaning, fix whichever needs to be fixed. Getting upset because people responded to What You Actually Typed instead of your intended meaning, which you never expressed, shows a lot of issues in need of address.) In any case .... maybe You, instead of trying to one-up my on the internet, should actually try to understand the ideas being expressed. For instance, when I said, what was it that was unclear about that to you? One cop, three cops … if they don’t happen to be there when the offense happens …. How can they enforce the rule? I made it clear it is best with two cops for the enforcement, One cop on bicycle and one cop ahead to pull over offenders. You made it clear that you did not read the post with any comprehension with, Two cops tied up all day ... and suppose not one cyclist goes by? I tried to help your comprehension out by reminding you that I posted one cop was on a bicycle. Then you simply try to insult with your out of context post for the entire responses. |
There is little need for sophisticated equipment. Most traffic laws are civil. Civil court is based on preponderance of evidence. In front of a judge, if a cop says you're traveling too close and not giving adequate distance and you argue the opposite....the cop's word holds more weight. Congratulation, pay your tax.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20808855)
Hmmm .... yeah, but No.
Two cops tied up all day ... and suppose not one cyclist goes by? Look, if a cop is on hand to witness an unsafe pass, his/her word is enough ... court testimony from a cop carries a good bit of weight. And mostly, if there is a cop around, drivers are extra-cautious anyway. The "enforcement" question is more for the 99.999 % of the time when there is no cop around. Look, the 3-foot rule would be more than adequate---if all motorists observed it. The ones who ignore three would ignore five, I posit. I am not against the law, but i don't see where it will change much. |
Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
(Post 20817011)
I could be mistaken, but I believe what CB HI is talking about is similar to a DUI checkpoint, or a "speed trap" where there is one cop with a radar gun and another cop in a car to chase down the speeders.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20817076)
Right. Two cops.
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Compare the incidence of DUI to close passes of bikes ... compare the harm done. Alcohol is a major contributor to accidents and fatalities ... probably the biggest single factor, anyone who wants to google the NHTSA numbers, can.
if a car gives me two-and-a-half feet and gets a ticket ... to me that is a huge and stupid waste. If the cops have nothing better to do in that town, lay them off and cut taxes. Almost everyone gives me plenty of room. occasionally a driver will try a dumb move and run out of room, and cut it a little close---two feet or so---but that is understandable. Only Very rarely do I meet a real butthole who simply won't allow safe space ... and how many police hours would it take to catch one of those in the act? I have not been badly buzzed in several months (Easter morning, in fact) and only twice in the last year that I can recall. How many cops would have to travel how many miles of road to catch that act? And, as others have said, if someone sees the cop, likely s/he will behave. There is a three-foot law right now pretty much everywhere in the U.S. Have people been lobbying to have it enforced more tightly? Have any locales made big efforts to enforce it more tightly? As I said, the law is only as effective as its enforcement, and it would be a very hard law to enforce. Y'all fight all you want. Until you actually get a program in place, don't bother fighting with me. |
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20818656)
Compare the incidence of DUI to close passes of bikes ... compare the harm done. Alcohol is a major contributor to accidents and fatalities ... probably the biggest single factor, anyone who wants to google the NHTSA numbers, can."
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20818656)
if a car gives me two-and-a-half feet and gets a ticket ... to me that is a huge and stupid waste. If the cops have nothing better to do in that town, lay them off and cut taxes.
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20818656)
Almost everyone gives me plenty of room. occasionally a driver will try a dumb move and run out of room, and cut it a little close---two feet or so---but that is understandable.
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20818656)
Only Very rarely do I meet a real butthole who simply won't allow safe space ... and how many police hours would it take to catch one of those in the act? I have not been badly buzzed in several months (Easter morning, in fact) and only twice in the last year that I can recall. How many cops would have to travel how many miles of road to catch that act?
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20818656)
And, as others have said, if someone sees the cop, likely s/he will behave.
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20818656)
There is a three-foot law right now pretty much everywhere in the U.S. Have people been lobbying to have it enforced more tightly? Have any locales made big efforts to enforce it more tightly?
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20818656)
As I said, the law is only as effective as its enforcement, and it would be a very hard law to enforce.
Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 20818656)
Y'all fight all you want. Until you actually get a program in place, don't bother fighting with me.
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