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bdcheung 05-11-09 10:48 AM

Banned substance sanctions in other sports
 
NASCAR - get caught once, indefinite ban. Seems harsh.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor...mayfield_N.htm

bac 05-11-09 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by bdcheung (Post 8896253)
NASCAR - get caught once, indefinite ban. Seems harsh.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor...mayfield_N.htm

I'm pretty sure "indefinite" in NASCAR terms means perhaps 1 race. I love the classic denial by the driver though. His fans will believe. :lol:

... Brad

EventServices 05-11-09 10:56 AM

The two lap suspension seemed too tame.

bdcheung 05-11-09 10:56 AM

he already missed Darlington and looks like he will miss the Coca-Cola 600 as well

Enthalpic 05-11-09 11:07 AM

Nascar is a sport? :innocent:

CastIron 05-11-09 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by Enthalpic (Post 8896396)
Nascar is a sport? :innocent:

Bingo.


On a serious note, I get the safety aspects, but really, what's focus of their drug program? Too much steroid muscle on the gas pedal?

bdcheung 05-11-09 11:34 AM

^^ that was my initial reaction as well.

Which then led to "Why issue an indefinite ban on a guy who used a substance that really doesn't give that much of a performance enhancement?"

substructure 05-11-09 11:45 AM

easy. Some of us (maybe just me) are southern rednecks who follow NASCAR. :notamused:

bac 05-11-09 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by bdcheung (Post 8896577)
^^ that was my initial reaction as well.

Which then led to "Why issue an indefinite ban on a guy who used a substance that really doesn't give that much of a performance enhancement?"

I don't think you read the article well enough:

Black, citing NASCAR policy, declined to specify what caused Mayfield to test positive, saying it was "a drug of concern."

NASCAR is not telling. Quite clearly, it's a drug that can improve performance ...... even for a race car driver. I would guess that his PED of choice helps improve reflexes.

... Brad

bdcheung 05-11-09 11:52 AM

Not sure how "improved reflexes" helps you on a NASCAR track. Only thing it would help you do is avoid crashes.

If there was some magical drug that gave you perfect pit strategy, I could see that as a PED.

substructure 05-11-09 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by bdcheung (Post 8896732)
Not sure how "improved reflexes" helps you on a NASCAR track. Only thing it would help you do is avoid crashes.

If there was some magical drug that gave you perfect pit strategy, I could see that as a PED.

They (usually 40+ drivers) drive 180mph within inches of each other. They need real good reflexes.

bac 05-11-09 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by bdcheung (Post 8896732)
Not sure how "improved reflexes" helps you on a NASCAR track.

Really???

... Brad

bdcheung 05-11-09 11:56 AM

From my office chair, yes really. But Subby's point is well taken.

mikearena 05-11-09 11:56 AM

Increased concentration, alertness? Sudafed plus some other OTC drub leads to a speed/meth positive maybe?

ridethecliche 05-11-09 11:57 AM

Increased concentration?

Increased reaction time is really helpful in tight packs at high speed.

CastIron 05-11-09 12:01 PM

So we're talking about Provigil, then.

Or a cornucopia of stimulants.

mikearena 05-11-09 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 8896779)
Increased concentration?

Yeah, I mean (without intending insult to any fans) you're basically driving in circles for hours and hours on end. I could imagine my mental acuity starting to slip after a few hours of that.

substructure 05-11-09 12:02 PM

Plus they're necks and backs are harnessed without much mobility, they drive 500 miles straight usually in 105F temps without breaks for water or to relieve themselves. They're slammed into walls at 100+mph and not all courses are loops. There are several road courses with narrow stretches and not much room to maneuver.

A few of these guys do mountain bike races when they're in town as well to stay in shape.

But I'm partial to the "sport" and don't want to get anything started.

substructure 05-11-09 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by CastIron (Post 8896814)
So we're talking about Provigil, then.

Or a cornucopia of stimulants.

or Modafinil

ridethecliche 05-11-09 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by mikearena (Post 8896819)
Yeah, I mean (without intending insult to any fans) you're basically driving in circles for hours and hours on end. I could imagine my mental acuity starting to slip after a few hours of that.

I was responding to the OP and citing things I think it'd help ;)

I'm in agreement.

Fat Boy 05-11-09 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by substructure (Post 8896826)
Plus they're necks and backs are harnessed without much mobility, they drive 500 miles straight usually in 150F temps with limited breaks for water or to relieve themselves.

A few of these guys do mountain bike races when they're in town as well to stay in shape.

Fixed.

The truth is, this is a very physical sport. It's not quite physical in the way that bike racing is, but it is analogous. The same way that people say to us, "I ride my bike" and we chuckle to ourselves, these guy chuckle to themselves when someone says, "My cousin/brother-in-law/co-worker drives race cars."

Any sort of chemical 'speed' is not effective. It's just a good way to crash. Good endurance physical fitness and a ridiculously high heat tolerance is. Also, the ability to not lose focus and concentration is absolutely mandatory. Descending on a bike is difficult and nerve-wracking. That is similar to what they do for hours at a time.

Fat Boy 05-11-09 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by bac (Post 8896293)
I'm pretty sure "indefinite" in NASCAR terms means perhaps 1 race.

... Brad

It will be longer than that.

erader 05-11-09 01:24 PM

it was probably a recreational drug that could impair reflexes or judgement.

ed rader

Namenda 05-11-09 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by erader (Post 8897456)
it was probably a recreational drug that could impair reflexes or judgement.

ed rader

That would be my guess. NASCAR doesn't want an accident that hurts or kills people, caused by an impaired driver. Leave the impairments to the fans.

substructure 05-11-09 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Namenda (Post 8897620)
That would be my guess. NASCAR doesn't want an accident that hurts or kills people, caused by an impaired driver. Leave the impairments to the fans.

I was supposed to go to the 600 this year. It's practically in my backyard. But the clan that invited me got thrown out last year.

How friggen sloppy drunk and rowdy do you have to be to get thrown out of a race? They found out. :lol:


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