This is why you don't leave your bike locked out of sight
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Much as I love the straightforward delivery of the LPL, I don't know how many bike thieves out there are qualified lockpicks, or are toting around a Ramset. Ever used a Ramset? I don't think anyone is stealing a bike off of the corner with one-- it sounds like a handgun going off, because it's basically a handgun going off. I have a .25cal driver and it's gunshot loud, as one would expect.
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This is why I leave my bike locked out of sight:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...72cf2dbd63.jpg Most people who ride bikes for utilitarian reasons end up coming to grips with bike theft and security. No two cyclists arrive at exactly the same solution. For me, it works well enough to park my bike next to an expensive bike secured with a cable lock. ;) |
Originally Posted by calstar
(Post 20958603)
Not sure if I would want to confront a pro stealing my bike (not that I would ride a bike they would want) . So keeping it in view just makes you feel a little better. Fact is is someone wants your bike they are going to get it. If you can't afford to lose it then don't ride it. |
Lockpickinglawer has been known here for a while. It's incredible how he picks those locks.
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I use multiple locks with a value greater than my bike. If a thief decides to defeat all the locks despite an easier one to steal next to mine is welcome to it. xD
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Originally Posted by spinnaker
(Post 20958970)
Ridiculous. No one is going to go though the trouble of picking a lock unless it is an awfully expensive bicycle. Locks are for the unprofessional thief. People like junkies and someone looking for a free ride, which makes up for the vast majority of who is out to get you bike. Use a decent lock and they will go look for easier targets.
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The LPL picked a vintage Citadel u-lock in 10 seconds (with a specialized tool of the correct diameter & number of pins). My Citadel u-lock has been protecting my bikes from theft since 1978.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker
(Post 20958970)
Fact is if someone wants your bike they are going to get it.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...897436d30f.png And here' the infamous LPL ruining the jaw blades of his hydraulic bolt cutter on the Brute: |
Originally Posted by igorek
(Post 20959180)
It's incredible how he picks those locks.
(BTW - All of these can be defeated with a powerful angle grinder with a big, fully charged battery. It'll take a while, make a heck of a lot of noise and create a shower of sparks, though.) |
I rode 157 miles over 10 hours of riding time (excluding breaks). Never locking my bike out of sight is just not practically possible for me.
Lock picking is a pretty specialized skill that takes some time to learn and acquire tools. There really aren't that many thieves who are going to make that investment when cutting is so much easier. |
I left my bike unlocked out of sight more than twice this weekend. No one messed with it. Maybe someone would have had I locked it?
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At work we have a chain-link key card access bike lockup in the parking garage. Security does a walk-by every 30 minutes and must scan a QR code inside the cage. In the cage most of us leave U-locks to use. I keep an extra in my locker in case mine is messed up when I arrive.
The lockup is not infallible and I wouldn't leave it overnight, but during the day we have a good track record for avoiding theft. I mean a guy with bolt cutters could snip the cage's chain links in couple of minutes, on camera. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20959551)
Lock picking is a pretty specialized skill that takes some time to learn and acquire tools. There really aren't that many thieves who are going to make that investment when cutting is so much easier.
So much easier to cut some rider's Ottolock with tin snips: |
Originally Posted by tcs
(Post 20959539)
And I won't dispute that, but here's an interesting data point: this OnGuard Brute had one leg sawn through by a battery powered angle grinder, but apparently the battery pooped out as the thief was cutting through the other leg.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...897436d30f.png And here' the infamous LPL ruining the jaw blades of his hydraulic bolt cutter on the Brute: https://youtu.be/lvn3_CNVSFs |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20959622)
I gave it to my son who used it on campus, and it rusted internally when he left it out in the weather.
Chain lube threads are usually good for 15 pages or so. I wonder if the same holds true about lock lubricants? :thumb: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f637a3210a.jpg |
Okay, I'll bite...I like graphite for lock lubrication:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0aaf48945f.png |
Originally Posted by tcs
(Post 20959656)
Just like bicycles, locks have to be maintained.
Chain lube threads are usually good for 15 pages or so. I wonder if the same holds true about lock lubricants? :thumb: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f637a3210a.jpg |
Originally Posted by calstar
(Post 20958603)
How good is your bike lock? Not very!
The good:
The bad:
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Originally Posted by tcs
(Post 20959944)
My take as a cyclist on lockpickinglawyer videos:
The bad:
The problem with this is that if he followed that rule, consumers would still be uninformed when buying the unimproved ones that were still in circulation. I don't feel bad for the manufacturers, some of this is testing that should have been done before they sold the product. In the case of the Ottolock, this was clearly egregious that this product was ever put out there at that price range. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20959962)
The problem with this...
*Consumer Reports did this back in 1991 with the Kryptonite u-lock **Consumer Reports did not do this and Kryptonite continued to sell locks that could be opened with the body of a Bic pen for the next ten years! |
Philadelphia has to be the worst city for cyclists and bike theft. I’ve had a few bikes stolen in minutes and once a gentleman used a battery operated grinder in broad daylight. I couldn’t believe it! Philly has so much potential, it’s sad.
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Originally Posted by tcs
(Post 20960136)
The idea was that you announced you found a weakness with/flaw in/problem about a lock to the public but didn't announce exactly what that problem was* for some short period of time. You informed the manufacturer and gave them just a bit to fix the issue or withdraw the lock from sale before going full public**.
*Consumer Reports did this back in 1991 with the Kryptonite u-lock **Consumer Reports did not do this and Kryptonite continued to sell locks that could be opened with the body of a Bic pen for the next ten years! That might make sense when the problem is one that others aren't likely to find in the meantime. In the case of the Ottolock, the exploit was so simple and obvious that consumers should definitely have been told the specifics right away. I think it's also suspect how informed the consumer really is if they don't know the exact nature of the problem. I think reasonable minds could differ on whether violating this "norm" is a con or a pro, especially in a market where vast numbers of a product can be moved much faster than in 1991. I appreciate your taking the time to explain this even if I don't agree with you (I think--you're obviously way more familiar with the issue than I am). |
I currently carry a cable lock for an emergency stop for food while I am out. I refuse to be out of line of site of my bicycle for very long. When I lived in Florida I used a Kryptonite heavy chain with the little U lock on my mtb. I went shopping one evening and locked it to the WalMart bicycle rack thing. I walked out of the store and when I looked out at the bicycle rack my chain and lock were on the ground next to the rack. Another person couldn't help but notice the battery powered grinder he had used and pointed the thief out to me. He was almost to his pickup truck. I caught up to him as he was placing my bicycle in his pickup truck. Without a word I rammed him with the shopping cart. I have considered electrifying the whole setup but this could be problematic. I only want to hurt, disfigure, eviscerate, draw and quarter or put through the wood chipper thieves. Not everyone else.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 20960168)
In the case of the Ottolock...
I wouldn't call cutting resistance a hidden flaw that's not obvious to the public, though. Now, if someone discovered that taking an .009" metal shim and laser cutting it into a particularly shaped hook and inserting it into just the right spot would release the latching mechanism, IMO privately informing the company of how and that you would release details on the flaw to the public in two months if they didn't fix it is more responsible than publishing a how-to video with instructions and dimensions the next day. Hmm, probably wouldn't get you as many youtube views, though. PS - IIRC, Ottolock didn't accept LPL's initial findings graciously. In fact, again IIRC, they made some disparaging comments directed at him. At that point, all is fair. |
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