Full suspension or hardtail?
I've been riding a 27.5 full suspension with 140 mm front and back for the last 6 month's. I recently added a 29+ hardtail stache. On a trail that I've been on numerous times I had a series wreck and was lucky to have just broken my wrist. The trail is pretty technical and on a 20 inch drop I got tossed over the bars. I went off at a bad place causing me to fall another 5 feet off the side of the trail. I'm new to biking and was wondering if there is that big of a difference in the two bikes? It was my second time on the hardtail.
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I'm not looking up the geometries of the bikes since you only listed one anyway but I'd say geometry. The 140mm bike is probably slacker in the front end which makes it more stable going downhill but you probably just goofed up and wrecked, it happens.
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Skill level. Accidents happen.
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Originally Posted by kq2dc7
(Post 21225479)
I've been riding a 27.5 full suspension with 140 mm front and back for the last 6 month's. I recently added a 29+ hardtail stache. On a trail that I've been on numerous times I had a series wreck and was lucky to have just broken my wrist. The trail is pretty technical and on a 20 inch drop I got tossed over the bars. I went off at a bad place causing me to fall another 5 feet off the side of the trail. I'm new to biking and was wondering if there is that big of a difference in the two bikes? It was my second time on the hardtail.
What exactly is your question? |
My experience riding the same trails with three different bikes is:
26" rigid old school mtb - slow and picking lines very carefully to avoid rocks/drops etc... 26 hardtail - still need to pick lines but more forgiving on the rocks/drops... 27.5 FS - Flowing over obstacles to the point of going way to fast for some corners until I adapted. Far less concern about picking lines in regards to rocks/drops. |
I have 26 full suspention and once i just tried the 29 (never tried 27,5) it was just a spaceship compared to 26. I would say stick to full suspension for trails and go big
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
(Post 21227288)
Is there a big difference between a 140mm FS and a hardtail? Yes, they are pretty different.
What exactly is your question? |
Originally Posted by kq2dc7
(Post 21228837)
Is there that big of a difference in riding techniques? I had only been on it 2-3 times prior to this ride.
What does “THAT big of a difference mean?” Big enough to do what? Are you asking if the fact that you were on a HT is why you got so badly hurt? No, it is not. |
Any new bike you ride, even bikes of the same design, you absolutely should go slow until you know how the bike will react when pushed. It might very well mean different techniques to control your bike, Increase your speed slowly. Any time you approach you limit, Even with years of experience a safe ride can still be a crap shoot depending on how bad you want to win or how fast you want to go.
As far as oversize tires vs suspension bikes go, A big tire bike will react much like a basketball when over inflated. Correct tire pressure is essential for a safe fast ride. Proper suspension bikes are damped so the rebound is much better controlled. They can often be adjusted for various situations. For most competitive activities I'd choose a full suspension bike hands down. For recreational riders, Both should be fine with some experience. I do like the simplicity of a hardtail. |
Two completely different bicycles. One that can go over rough terrain at high speed and yet remain in control. The other bicycle needs to maybe slow down some to do the very same terrain. At least until you get used to no rear suspension other than your legs. On a rigid bicycle you stand quite a bit more of the time than on a full suspension. The rigid tail will be rougher on you because you are the suspension. Sorry to hear you broke your wrist. Heal well.
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Learn on a hardtail, then ride whatever you want.
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Both bikes should be able to handle a 2 feet drop. Doe I'd want the rear squish on most days when I'm deciding to send it.
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If you own both bikes and don't know the difference, I'm afraid we can't help you.
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We rode drops and jumps before we had suspension. You need to learn to ride, your full suspension rig has been babysitting you and keeping you out of trouble.
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun
(Post 21236417)
If you own both bikes and don't know the difference, I'm afraid we can't help you.
Common sense ain't so common!!! |
Funny how people are dogging you about the riding skills you should have yet can't seem to negotiate a sentence.
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Originally Posted by kq2dc7
(Post 21228837)
Is there that big of a difference in riding techniques? I had only been on it 2-3 times prior to this ride.
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Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun
(Post 21236417)
If you own both bikes and don't know the difference, I'm afraid we can't help you.
Thanks for the reply it's always helpful to hear from helpful experienced riders. |
Originally Posted by xroadcharlie
(Post 21228906)
Any new bike you ride, even bikes of the same design, you absolutely should go slow until you know how the bike will react when pushed. It might very well mean different techniques to control your bike, Increase your speed slowly. Any time you approach you limit, Even with years of experience a safe ride can still be a crap shoot depending on how bad you want to win or how fast you want to go.
As far as oversize tires vs suspension bikes go, A big tire bike will react much like a basketball when over inflated. Correct tire pressure is essential for a safe fast ride. Proper suspension bikes are damped so the rebound is much better controlled. They can often be adjusted for various situations. For most competitive activities I'd choose a full suspension bike hands down. For recreational riders, Both should be fine with some experience. I do like the simplicity of a hardtail. I've walked the trail 4 to 5 times since the accident and am pretty confident that the tire pressure and being in a hurry caused the wreck. |
full suspension
Full suspension will not prevent falls [ 10 broken bones, concussion, separated shoulder, operation on private parts from top tube connection can attest to that] but will get you though areas where the hardtail might seem edgy. Tucson's rocky trails are more comfortable with full suspension, on the flow trails a hardtail is certainly faster, or feels faster. My bikes are all fullsusy as comfort wins over speed for me.
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In terms of crashing, the main difference I find is that with FS I am going faster when it happens.
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
(Post 21248913)
In terms of crashing, the main difference I find is that with FS I am going faster when it happens.
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You probably crashed because you did not get your weight far enough back to take the drop. Your center of gravity propelled you over the bars after the drop.
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hard tail for XC full suspension for downhill. Its much harder to ride downhill without full suspension
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Originally Posted by Glidedon
(Post 21284423)
You probably crashed because you did not get your weight far enough back to take the drop. Your center of gravity propelled you over the bars after the drop.
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Originally Posted by kq2dc7
(Post 21329188)
You are exactly right. I am pretty sure that I was even sitting on the seat and I know I didn't use the dropper seat. I've been riding again finally and became aware of how little I stand while riding.
Good luck, keep riding. |
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