I wanted to buy a custom boutique bike...
But I'll probably have to buy something more mainstream. I prefer to get products that are of good quality but generally aren't well known. I might not be able to this time.
I've been wanting to get a new bike for a few years now but had too many other priorities. We've spent a hard couple years becoming debt free and foregoing a lot of things we've wanted to do or buy. Now we're in a position to do a lot more. My wife told me to figure out what I wanted in a bike and then make my plan to get it. She didn't specify how much I could spend and she has no idea about bikes or their components and costs. Naturally I started looking at builds around $5K. I figured that since this is my first "really good" bike then I might as well go big and just do it right even if it's overkill for what I ride (400-500 miles per month March-ish to October-ish). I was looking at things like the Rodeo Labs Flaanimal, Open U.P., Canyon Grail, Di2, carbon wheels, custom paint, all of that and more! When I started to casually mention these prices along with paint jobs and new accessories, she balked pretty hard since she really didn't know things cost that much and she thinks other things like home upgrades could be neglected if I buy a bike like that. Soooo, I could probably push and push and get my way but I'm not going to do that to her. She's probably right anyway, I don't need a $5K bike and a lot of bikes will be a huge upgrade over my current bike anyway (2006 Trek FX 3.1). I'm going to have to come down quite a bit but I can still probably spend a few thousand total for a bike and accessories (pedals, shoes, gloves, GPS, etc.). It's possible that I could still buy a frameset and then slowly collect the parts to build it up over the next year but that's not ideal for me. I'd like to get something this summer and be able to ride it a few months before it gets too cold. I really need some ideas and insight into bikes that I can get fully built from LBSs. I ride mostly road but want to spend more time on gravel if I can (think like 75/25 road/gravel). I'm like 6'-2" and range from 220-250 lbs. (always gain weight in winter then drop in summer...aiming to get down to 200 this summer) so I'll never be on super skinny tires. I'm interested in steel but I have CDO and I do worry about rust; carbon is great but not a deal breaker. I'd prefer internal cabling. I'm pretty sure I want a 2x crankset. Really the best ones I can think of now are some kind of Jamis Renegade or a Fuji Jari. I'm just not that interested in stuff from Specialized or Trek or Giant for some reason. Please provide some opinions and options. Thanks! |
You told your wife what a bike costs?
Mods, move this thread to the beginners forum. |
Here is how I did this:
1. Break your ankle in such a way that it requires emergency surgery on a holiday if you ever plan to walk again. 2. Show her the off-the-rack $10K+ specialized and Trek bikes. 3. Then show her one of these: https://caletticycles.com/bikes/ Of all my gratuitous purchases, this one was by far the best-justified five years later. Besides, compared to sending the first of three kids to college, it was spit in the ocean. |
Originally Posted by rosefarts
(Post 20953568)
You told your wife what a bike costs?
Mods, move this thread to the beginners forum. But, yeah it is what it is. Gotta get into something around $3K. |
Im in a similar boat as you. Debt free other than the mortgage which is so cheap I could pay it and our bills working part time at Mcdonalds (I do have my own company... and its not a restaurant). That being said, we have 4 kids and wifey isnt really keen on 5k for a bike.
To find the right bike (and I haven't found the "perfect" bike yet) and support my habit, I have just spent a bit of time trolling the internet. In doing so, I have been able to find some good deals and slowly build up from there. The first solid find was an older (2013) Ridley Helium. I found it on craigslist through regular searches. It was kind of funny how it happened. The story was that the owner was a runner. He had a knee injury, bought the bike and rode it for one season (less than 1000 miles he said) and then it sat for 3 years and he decided to sell it. The owner lived in another state. I had a friend that lived nearby and was willing to go check it out. The funny part is that the guy selling it happened to be the lawyer for the company my friend worked for. Anyways... 1200.00 later and I have a Ridley Helium with Ultegra and an updated set of HED Ardennes LT wheels. He sent all the paperwork that came with the bike purchase. On paper it was over 3.5k for the bike and another 700 for the wheels. After that summer, I went a winter without riding and talked my wife into getting a bike and riding with me the next spring. She has no problems with bike riding. She loves the exercise. The only issues (like many women) she would have is a road bike and the "Costume". A black or other colorless bike would make her less likely to enjoy going for rides. So it was important to find a bike that complimented her as a woman. We visited lots of shops and went back and forth between her getting an electric bike (to keep up with me without having to work too hard) and a regular bike. She wasnt sure she wanted a road bike with a costume but wouldnt keep up with me on a hybrid and she was sure an electric was out (mostly because of cost) I found a 2017 Diamondback Airen in the exact size in a pretty blue color from Bicycle Blue Book on ebay. Bike was brand new and they were asking 1400. Still a little steep for my wifes liking. I waited a week and the bike was relisted. I offered 1200 and they accepted. Brand new Airen 5c with Ultegra for less than half the list price. At the end of that summer I decided I needed a winter bike. I looked high and low and was out bid many times on ebay and just couldnt find a bike that fit my requirements on craigslist. Looked at many bike shops and asked around a bit. Finally after a few months I found a Blue Competition bike that perfectly fit the bill. It was from random bike parts. I knew it was leftover stock, but could do the work to check everything over when I got the bike and it came with a 30 day guarantee. RBP was actually really great doing business with. I had a 10% off coupon from ebay, bid 1200 on the bike (Gravel/Endurance bike with Ultegra) and they accepted. So for 1100.00 I had my winter bike. In between the bike purchases I have upgraded parts and pieces here and there. New wheelset for the gravel bike, new seats, tires, helmets, jerseys, bibs... it never ends. Sorry for the long story but botttom line is... set out your specific needs, stick to them, start searching, be patient and stick to your budget. Ive been able to pick up 3 mostly new carbon bikes with Ultegra over an 18 month period for the cost of one high end bike. And I have mo issues keeping up with the guys in the group rides. At least no issues with equipment.... legs are another story ;) We are in a market now with bikes where the interest is high but not as many big spenders as the amount of high end product. Being patient you can find some great deals on mid to high end bikes that are slightly used or last years model. They are out there. Just gotta be patient. -Sean |
di2 is way overkill, it is fun for the first few month, but after, it is more troublesome since you have to worry about the battery. gravel bike is the way to go, having the ability to run 23mm to 40mm tires makes the bike super versatile
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2019 Fuji Jari 1.1 carbon for $3k when it comes out should do nicely.
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Originally Posted by Junkbeast
(Post 20953560)
Naturally I started looking at builds around $5K. I figured that since this is my first "really good" bike then I might as well go big and just do it right even if it's overkill for what I ride (400-500 miles per month March-ish to October-ish). I was looking at things like the Rodeo Labs Flaanimal, Open U.P., Canyon Grail, Di2, carbon wheels, custom paint, all of that and more!
Originally Posted by wgscott
(Post 20953587)
Of all my gratuitous purchases, this one was by far the best-justified five years later. Besides, compared to sending the first of three kids to college, it was spit in the ocean.
OP: diminishing returns get pretty steep after you spend $3K or so on a new bike, so you aren't sacrificing much by spending that amount of money. And if your house needs improvements, that is a smarter investment anyway. |
Originally Posted by Koyote
(Post 20953812)
You're never going to get one of those frames with custom paint, Di2, and carbon wheels for $5K. That would be more like $10K. OP: diminishing returns get pretty steep after you spend $3K or so on a new bike, so you aren't sacrificing much by spending that amount of money. And if your house needs improvements, that is a smarter investment anyway.
Any other suggestions for off the rack bikes and what levels of parts I can aim for? Are there other lesser known brands that are sold at shops that are still good or should I just stick to mainstream manufacturers? Does anyone think buying something like a Flaanimal frame and building it over time for next season would be worth the effort and wait? |
I am like you in being drawn to lesser known companies and that was one of the factors when I got my Flaanimal earlier this month. My complete build directly from Rodeo Labs with a Shimano 105 hydraulic groupset, Easton EA50 cockpit, WTB Nano tires mounted on Easton EA70AX wheels and setup tubeless, and Praxis Alba cranks came in it $3200 shipped. I feel like this build is all I can ever ask for from a bike and it is significantly less than the original $5k you mention.
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That sounds like a pretty solid bike, still light years ahead of my Trek. How's the Flaanimal working out? Is it really good and worth it?
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Originally Posted by Junkbeast
(Post 20954205)
That sounds like a pretty solid bike, still light years ahead of my Trek. How's the Flaanimal working out? Is it really good and worth it?
Just this past weekend I went on my longest ride ever, 88 miles 80-85% unpaved, and I don't have a single complaint about it. Even when I got caught up in some deep, nasty, sticky mud it still performed terrific without any shifting or braking issues afterward. With smaller companies, you are going to pay a bit more than you would from a bigger company for a similarly spec'd bike, but I definitely think it is worth the premium. |
I'm on a gen 2 Santa Cruz Stigmata I bought on closeout at the LBS. It's the most comfortable bike I've ever owned and its fast. I've looked at the brand new SC Stigmata that came out last month that fits 700x45c/650b x 2.1 combos. the Rival 1 build spec is $3599 and well worth it in my opinion. I would seriously consider this bike if were shopping still.
As far as boutique brands, a company in my home state of Arkansas called Allied Cycle Works is making some gorgeous bicycles and have 2 allroad/gravel models. https://alliedcycleworks.com/ They do range in that $5k-10k range but for a custom bike 100% made in the USA, I drool every time I see even a picture of one. Their bikes I've seen at the LBS are almost too good looking to ride! I WILL own one one day. https://alliedcycleworks.com/pages/allied-alfa-allroad 700 x 23-38 tires https://alliedcycleworks.com/pages/allied-able 700 x 43-650b x 47 |
Originally Posted by Chi_Z
(Post 20953720)
di2 is way overkill, it is fun for the first few month, but after, it is more troublesome since you have to worry about the battery.
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I have to guess he has a dealer for those brand lines , he can see and test ride ..
not just saw the pictures on line.. /// |
Originally Posted by Chi_Z
(Post 20953720)
di2 is way overkill, it is fun for the first few month, but after, it is more troublesome since you have to worry about the battery. gravel bike is the way to go, having the ability to run 23mm to 40mm tires makes the bike super versatile
BB |
Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 20954743)
I have to guess he has a dealer for those brand lines , he can see and test ride ..
not just saw the pictures on line.. /// Any thoughts on the Renegade Expert or Escapade? What can I cross-shop those with? |
Originally Posted by Junkbeast
(Post 20953611)
Hahaha! So true.
But, yeah it is what it is. Gotta get into something around $3K. Unfortunately, too many lie to their wives and the rest of the men out there think that's OK, even funny. -Tim- |
$3k will net you a really nice bike and it can be from a smaller brand. Something at that price thats well spec'd and fits will be more bike than most any of us will ever need.
Carbon, aluminum, steel- pick a frame material and start from there. As good a place as any. |
I just built a custom Soma Double Cross Disc bike and it added up quickly. I couldn't afford it all at once so what I did was buy a used 2011 Jamis Coda Elite 4 years ago, and spent the last 3 years upgrading almost everything on the bike, then bought the Soma frameset the other week, and transferred everything over. My parts list is below, and it added up to over $2K including $120 labor to do the parts swap from frame to frame. It's a 1x10 setup. Add in clipless pedals, shoes, a Garmin and some stuff and you are pushing 3K, so this is kinda a good idea of what you can get for your price point. I think the Wolverine is a similar price to the Double Cross Disc:
Frameset: Soma Double Cross Disc in Sky Silver with matching steel fork ($640) Rims: H Plus Son Archetype Hubs: Deore XT Brakes: Deore XT Hydraulic Disc Shifter: Deore XT Rear Derailleur: Deore 10 speed Cassette: Deore XT Crank: Fuji Oval 730 narrow wide front chainring Pedals: Exustar MB Platform Seatpost: Easton's lightest aluminum seatpost Seat: Brooks Cambium Headset: Cane Creek 110 Premium Tires: Panaracer T-Serv PT Handlebars and Stem: Whatever came with the Jamis Coda Elite https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6bca3c24fc.jpg |
Avoid custom your price point us excellent go shopping get s nice well known high end bike once you become jonny sleek and smooth and all things cycling then go custom. Titanium is my choice for you
moots are way cool 🤡 |
Lynskey GR270 and GR Pro with Shimano 105 mechnical sets are on sale for over 40% off. Wonder how long that will last...I don't know a thing about titanium or the brand. Would one of these with all the base options be better than a different bike with maybe some higher components? I mean they're like just over $3K from over $5K.
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Originally Posted by Junkbeast
(Post 20953560)
But I'll probably have to buy something more mainstream. I prefer to get products that are of good quality but generally aren't well known. I might not be able to this time.
I've been wanting to get a new bike for a few years now but had too many other priorities. We've spent a hard couple years becoming debt free and foregoing a lot of things we've wanted to do or buy. Now we're in a position to do a lot more. My wife told me to figure out what I wanted in a bike and then make my plan to get it. She didn't specify how much I could spend and she has no idea about bikes or their components and costs. Naturally I started looking at builds around $5K. I figured that since this is my first "really good" bike then I might as well go big and just do it right even if it's overkill for what I ride (400-500 miles per month March-ish to October-ish). I was looking at things like the Rodeo Labs Flaanimal, Open U.P., Canyon Grail, Di2, carbon wheels, custom paint, all of that and more! When I started to casually mention these prices along with paint jobs and new accessories, she balked pretty hard since she really didn't know things cost that much and she thinks other things like home upgrades could be neglected if I buy a bike like that. Soooo, I could probably push and push and get my way but I'm not going to do that to her. She's probably right anyway, I don't need a $5K bike and a lot of bikes will be a huge upgrade over my current bike anyway (2006 Trek FX 3.1). I'm going to have to come down quite a bit but I can still probably spend a few thousand total for a bike and accessories (pedals, shoes, gloves, GPS, etc.). It's possible that I could still buy a frameset and then slowly collect the parts to build it up over the next year but that's not ideal for me. I'd like to get something this summer and be able to ride it a few months before it gets too cold. I really need some ideas and insight into bikes that I can get fully built from LBSs. I ride mostly road but want to spend more time on gravel if I can (think like 75/25 road/gravel). I'm like 6'-2" and range from 220-250 lbs. (always gain weight in winter then drop in summer...aiming to get down to 200 this summer) so I'll never be on super skinny tires. I'm interested in steel but I have CDO and I do worry about rust; carbon is great but not a deal breaker. I'd prefer internal cabling. I'm pretty sure I want a 2x crankset. Really the best ones I can think of now are some kind of Jamis Renegade or a Fuji Jari. I'm just not that interested in stuff from Specialized or Trek or Giant for some reason. Please provide some opinions and options. Thanks! |
Originally Posted by Junkbeast
(Post 20960112)
Lynskey GR270 and GR Pro with Shimano 105 mechnical sets are on sale for over 40% off. Wonder how long that will last...I don't know a thing about titanium or the brand. Would one of these with all the base options be better than a different bike with maybe some higher components? I mean they're like just over $3K from over $5K.
I haven't, but my understanding is they're a bit unique, ride-wise. Maybe that only applies to older bikes, but might be worth keeping in mind. |
You could balk at house improvements and the two of you will have soo much more money.
Pure happiness, to have house improvement projects and to chase around construction crews...sign me up! 😁
Originally Posted by Junkbeast
(Post 20953560)
But I'll probably have to buy something more mainstream. I prefer to get products that are of good quality but generally aren't well known. I might not be able to this time.
I've been wanting to get a new bike for a few years now but had too many other priorities. We've spent a hard couple years becoming debt free and foregoing a lot of things we've wanted to do or buy. Now we're in a position to do a lot more. My wife told me to figure out what I wanted in a bike and then make my plan to get it. She didn't specify how much I could spend and she has no idea about bikes or their components and costs. Naturally I started looking at builds around $5K. I figured that since this is my first "really good" bike then I might as well go big and just do it right even if it's overkill for what I ride (400-500 miles per month March-ish to October-ish). I was looking at things like the Rodeo Labs Flaanimal, Open U.P., Canyon Grail, Di2, carbon wheels, custom paint, all of that and more! When I started to casually mention these prices along with paint jobs and new accessories, she balked pretty hard since she really didn't know things cost that much and she thinks other things like home upgrades could be neglected if I buy a bike like that. Soooo, I could probably push and push and get my way but I'm not going to do that to her. She's probably right anyway, I don't need a $5K bike and a lot of bikes will be a huge upgrade over my current bike anyway (2006 Trek FX 3.1). I'm going to have to come down quite a bit but I can still probably spend a few thousand total for a bike and accessories (pedals, shoes, gloves, GPS, etc.). It's possible that I could still buy a frameset and then slowly collect the parts to build it up over the next year but that's not ideal for me. I'd like to get something this summer and be able to ride it a few months before it gets too cold. I really need some ideas and insight into bikes that I can get fully built from LBSs. I ride mostly road but want to spend more time on gravel if I can (think like 75/25 road/gravel). I'm like 6'-2" and range from 220-250 lbs. (always gain weight in winter then drop in summer...aiming to get down to 200 this summer) so I'll never be on super skinny tires. I'm interested in steel but I have CDO and I do worry about rust; carbon is great but not a deal breaker. I'd prefer internal cabling. I'm pretty sure I want a 2x crankset. Really the best ones I can think of now are some kind of Jamis Renegade or a Fuji Jari. I'm just not that interested in stuff from Specialized or Trek or Giant for some reason. Please provide some opinions and options. Thanks! |
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