The two "unusable" gears.
Back in the early '70s, when "ten speeds" were ubiquitous, the lore was that using the highest or lowest gears would cause the chain to fall off/get goofed up, therefore those gears weren't practical to use. (I don't remember the precise details of this bit of urban legend.)
Was that ever true? I have a derailleur seven-speed, but the gear changer is a clicker set up on the handlebar, not levers like they had in the old days. ~~~A bicycle without fenders is a person without eyebrows. |
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BririaBoarder-
The gears to avoid in the older 5 and 6 speed configurations were the big/big and small/small because the less flexible chains and the crossover angles made these noisy and high wear applications. |
Thanks, bertinjim, for the explanation. That's what I was looking for.
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I have never used fenders and likely never will.
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The manual which came with my bike (21 speed hybrid) advised to not use small chainring/small gear or large chainring/large gear combinations, since it does flex the chain and causes wear. With all the possible gear combinations, though, there's no real need to use those combinations anyway. But it's perfectly fine to use middle chainring and high/low gears as needed, which isn't often.
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
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The manual which came with my bike (21 speed hybrid) advised to not use small chainring/small gear or large chainring/large gear combinations, since it does flex the chain and causes wear.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
(Post 21083583)
I have never used fenders and likely never will.
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I have one single fender that covers both wheels, only thinning a bit in the middle.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
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It's called cross chaining.
-Bandera |
Originally Posted by Bandera
(Post 21083818)
It is indeed and like cross-dressing in the '70's once frowned upon by some but now quite common and simply no big deal anymore, except in College Station.
-Bandera |
Originally Posted by indyfabz
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I have never used fenders and likely never will.
Eric |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
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When did cross-chaining stop being a thing?
This allowed our local hero of the 41 Captain Fast to cross chain 50X28 on his Team Shy replica to pointlessly brag about climbing a minor grade "in the Big Ring". A somewhat noisy triumph of style over substance. -Bandera |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 21083837)
When did cross-chaining stop being a thing? My '94 Allez has the original Shimano 600 derailleurs, and it definitely does NOT like being cross chained and tells me so quite vocally. "Buzz crunch crunch buzz". Go up or down one gear in the back and she's quiet as ever. It's not a subtle difference.
Now, I have so many gears on some of my bikes, I don't know what to do with them all,*:foo: so I just don't bother with the 2 extreme cross chained gears. Not because they're noisy, though they might be. I just have no reason to. Eric *my most modern is an 02 Lemond Zurich and it's got 20. |
Originally Posted by BririaBoarder
(Post 21083521)
the lore was that using the highest or lowest gears would cause the chain to fall off/get goofed up,
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Originally Posted by Last ride 76
(Post 21083867)
+1 (with a caveat...) My first bike, a red (of course) Columbia, complete with wooden blocks strapped to the pedals so I could reach them, bought at Korvettes Department Store, in NYC had fenders.
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Originally Posted by Last ride 76
(Post 21083867)
+1 (with a caveat...) My first bike, a red (of course) Columbia, complete with wooden blocks strapped to the pedals so I could reach them, bought at Korvettes Department Store, in NYC had fenders.
Eric |
Originally Posted by JonathanGennick
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Wow! Memories. My parents used to shop at a Korvettes in Redford Township just outside the Detroit city limits. That was back in the 1960s and caused me no small amount of confusion when I got a bit older and went to school and my friends were talking and dreaming about driving Corvettes. I dimly remember there being some legal issue around Korvettes not being able to advertise sale prices back in the day. Not sure I'm remembering that quite right. It's been decades.
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I might be wrong, but thought he/she was referring to not using the highest and lowest cassette gears (rear) to avoid the chain jumping into the hub or chainstay.... An "urban legend", perhaps, of people that didn't know how to adjust a derailleur?
I mean, wow, can't get my wife to give up her "dork disc" no matter how much I promised her that the "stop" screw will indeed... wait for it... STOP the chain from going over first gear.... :lol: |
Originally Posted by indyfabz
(Post 21083583)
I have never used fenders and likely never will.
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Small cog and small cog, is the worst. Because you know it's prolonged.
Nobody ever stayed on large/large for long. You knew it was brief. But small/small.. you know they're in that gear all the fkn time. |
Originally Posted by MikeyMK
(Post 21084415)
Small cog and small cog, is the worst. Because you know it's prolonged.
Nobody ever stayed on large/large for long. You knew it was brief. But small/small.. you know they're in that gear all the fkn time. And if you're staying on any combo on a prolonged basis, it's probably fine. The bikes I have that don't like cross chaining make it too obvious for you to want to stay there. If you're not hearing it or feeling it, it's probably not doing any unussual damage beyond normal wear. |
I have always cross-chained (at least to the extent that the newer outside chainrings allow) when there was good reason for it. I live to climb. I love going hard uphill. If that hill levels off briefly I don't want to have to ease up to do two double shifts to say PC for that lesser grade.
In a race many decades ago, I badly over-geared my bike, 54-44 x 13-17 for the States on a flat course. Less than 40 riders. I spent 80% of the time (maybe more) on the small ring. Rounding the turn onto the 2 mile finishing stretch, I shifted to the large-large so I could pull a surprise jump a mile from the line with just an easy shift in back to the 54-15. Worked beautifully. Ben |
Originally Posted by MikeyMK
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Small cog and small cog, is the worst. Because you know it's prolonged.
Nobody ever stayed on large/large for long. You knew it was brief. But small/small.. you know they're in that gear all the fkn time. If you look above, you will see that I used Large/large frequently, bitd... and as I was riding 350mi/week in (hilly) VT, that was a fair amount of time. I never used small/small. Why would I. The idea, in my mind, and I wasn't alone, if you read some other posts was "Big ring good". Maybe it was a USA thing, or even a NE USA thing. |
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