How to Adapt Afline 8 or 11 IGH to work w/ Shimano Roller Brake?
I love Roller Brakes AND I love the Alfine IGH. The Alfine is set up for disc (or rim). Are there steps/parts/mods to take to make it work well with a roller brake? Would it require more the the Alfine's already wide 135mm OLD?
I know the Nexus IGH has a roller brake compatible version, but I prefer the Alfine....It's shiny and black for one :-) |
AFAIK the spline on the hub face is different, consider Painting the Nexus Black, before you have the wheel built .
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Hi Bob, Is there perhaps an adaptor for the spline? Besides the cool black color, the Alfine's a bit quieter than the Nexus, and in the case of the 11, a bigger gear range, so there's other reasons. (but if all fails, I will ask how to get the Nexus to a gorgeous black finish ;)
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i have never seen any such adaptor
nor ever heard of anyone trying the conversion good luck edit if no such adaptor exists it would likely be easier and cheaper to have a disk brake mount added to your frame and use the alfine for disks as it was intended |
Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
(Post 16034441)
i have never seen any such adaptor
nor ever heard of anyone trying the conversion good luck edit if no such adaptor exists it would likely be easier and cheaper to have a disk brake mount added to your frame and use the alfine for disks as it was intended Maybe i didn't try enough kinds of disc brakes and perhaps some are more gradual, but that's my experience so far. Am I missing something about disc brakes? FYI, I weigh 140 lbs. |
i have ridden a few bikes with shimano roller brakes
and i also think they are nice however your experience with disks is certainly not the norm the opinion of most people i have spoken to which matches my own experience i1s that the modulation or feel or action as you put it is far superior with disks than other brakes perhaps the brakes you tried were very cheap cable operated ones or not set up properly but the superior feel of disks as well as more consistent stopping in all conditions compared to rim brakes is why the bike industry is moving away from rim brakes and mostly moved away from drums coasters and roller brakes long ago |
Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
(Post 16034905)
i have ridden a few bikes with shimano roller brakes
and i also think they are nice however your experience with disks is certainly not the norm the opinion of most people i have spoken to which matches my own experience i1s that the modulation or feel or action as you put it is far superior with disks than other brakes perhaps the brakes you tried were very cheap cable operated ones or not set up properly but the superior feel of disks as well as more consistent stopping in all conditions compared to rim brakes is why the bike industry is moving away from rim brakes and mostly moved away from drums coasters and roller brakes long ago |
That means Hydraulic ..
Cable brakes are requiring manual Pad wear adjustments .. Hydraulics are made to auto-adjust. (dont squeeze the lever when the wheel is out !) Maybe the sales trends as Promoted are moving away from drum brakes .. But. As some one having built-up a wheel-set around drum brakes over 25 years ago, I cannot imagine any other type that will not need any pads or service ( has Sealed cartridge Bearings) for the life of the owner .. and beyond. |
yes hydraulic disk brakes
are generally considered the gold standard and while what fietsbob said is true disk brakes are generally considered superior to drums in every way except maintenance and cost to adapt to a bike as disks require fittings on the frame and drums generally do not edit there are also good cable operated disk brakes as well as crappy ones and perhaps your perception of disks is simply not being used to them and after two rides you would develop the lighter touch necessary to feel confident |
Thanks Bob and Wilfred. I'm still really keen on learning if anyone on the Forum knows how get a Shimano Nexave Roller brake and an Alfine IGH happily working together. Thanks!
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There is a black nexus 7 on the market currently. Probably not what you wanted. I wanted a black shimano 8 speed, but couldn't justify the additional expense of an Alfine 8, went with a silver/grey red band Nexus 8 instead. I'm using rim brakes, so using a roller brake wasn't a factor.
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the other problem
with getting a roller brake to work on an alfine is that i think roller brakes are held on by a locknut on the axle while alfine disks are held on with a lock ring on the body of the hub you are trying to mate a donkey with a cat |
Originally Posted by IRideISmile
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I love Roller Brakes AND I love the Alfine IGH. The Alfine is set up for disc (or rim). Are there steps/parts/mods to take to make it work well with a roller brake? Would it require more the the Alfine's already wide 135mm OLD?
I know the Nexus IGH has a roller brake compatible version, but I prefer the Alfine....It's shiny and black for one :-) |
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Boom!
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=446039 Can someone please tell me the exact specs for the Shimano rollerbrake splines? |
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I don't have a bike anymore with a Roller,but I don't think using an adapter will work due to width. On Nexus hubs,if there's no Roller fitted,they install a cover on the end. With your adapter,you'd be stacking the Roller and adapter onto the rotor mount. I think you should do some measuring first.
edit,pics added: http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=446071 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=446072 |
Originally Posted by dynaryder
(Post 17733581)
I don't have a bike anymore with a Roller,but I don't think using an adapter will work due to width. On Nexus hubs,if there's no Roller fitted,they install a cover on the end. With your adapter,you'd be stacking the Roller and adapter onto the rotor mount. I think you should do some measuring first.
I will check the splines tomorrow, and then finalize the model and print it. That way I can check if there is a chance to fit the adapter. |
If you want an Alfine 8 with roller brake, just get the latest Nexus 8R36 version, it's the same basic guts as the Alfine 501. If you want an Alfine 11 with roller brake, forget about it. If you want nice, progressive brakes, skip the roller brake, damn thing is a grab-master. Doesn't matter how much I lube it (or not) it just loves to lock-up.
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
(Post 17733422)
Boom!
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=446039 Can someone please tell me the exact specs for the Shimano rollerbrake splines? |
Originally Posted by Mr IGH
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damn thing is a grab-master. Doesn't matter how much I lube it (or not) it just loves to lock-up.
Maybe you have the wrong lever (I just pair them with V-brake levers) or have the cable too tight, or otherwise weirdly dialed in your setup. Whatever it is, you're dead wrong about rollerbrakes locking up. |
Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 17736415)
My wild guess is Shimano's Centerlock Disc spline to what ever the roller brake spline is , If the Alfine has a Centerlock disc interface.
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
(Post 17737292)
Not at all true.
Maybe you have the wrong lever (I just pair them with V-brake levers) or have the cable too tight, or otherwise weirdly dialed in your setup. Whatever it is, you're dead wrong about rollerbrakes locking up. Also to your point about V brake (long travel) levers. Some of the bikes I sold with roller brakes had re settable levers, and I found I liked the way they performed on the long travel setting, contrary to instructions. Oh, and I have one bike of my own with roller brakes, a refurbished Schwinn tandem. No issues. |
Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart
(Post 17737445)
Oh, and I have one bike of my own with roller brakes, a refurbished Schwinn tandem. No issues.
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Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
(Post 17737454)
Which rollerbrake model exactly do you use on the tandem, and in what role?
It's just used for pootling around town or on flat level trails, so no long downhill braking episodes. |
Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart
(Post 17737458)
I have a IM70 on the rear and a IM41 on the front. Sounds backwards, I know, but it's what I had laying around when I was doing the build. I was planning to put a large one on the front, but it works so well now I haven't bothered.
It's just used for pootling around town or on flat level trails, so no long downhill braking episodes. |
Be careful, the same folks claiming the rollerbrake is a viable option also recommend Sturmey Archer. There's a reason you don't see either on OEM bikes, they suck....
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