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rjhammett 08-09-19 09:47 PM

What Year and Model is This Peugeot?
 
I picked up this Peugeot this evening. I am starting to tear it down to rehab it. I am hoping someone can help me identify the year and model. I believe it is a '71 PX10 based on serial number and comparing decals to other posts but I am not finding an exact match. Many of the parts have been swapped out. Some of the original components are: Stronglight 93 crankset, Stronglight Competition headset and Simplex shifters. I bought it for almost nothing and it needs a lot of work to get it to look good again. If anyone can provide information on this bike it would be appreciated.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6f2cb2db4a.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...879227efb6.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d875187763.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2a68792a10.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...74c0210394.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...75d41160d5.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d5be22e2a7.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f13ac510f6.jpg

ncrnelson 08-09-19 11:21 PM

Is this the one from the Minneapolis listing?

merziac 08-09-19 11:59 PM


Originally Posted by rjhammett (Post 21068524)
I picked up this Peugeot this evening. I am starting to tear it down to rehab it. I am hoping someone can help me identify the year and model. I believe it is a '71 PX10 based on serial number and comparing decals to other posts but I am not finding an exact match. Many of the parts have been swapped out. Some of the original components are: Stronglight 93 crankset, Stronglight Competition headset and Simplex shifters. I bought it for almost nothing and it needs a lot of work to get it to look good again. If anyone can provide information on this bike it would be appreciated.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6f2cb2db4a.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...879227efb6.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d875187763.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2a68792a10.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...74c0210394.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...75d41160d5.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d5be22e2a7.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f13ac510f6.jpg

PX-10, mid to late 70's?

The actual experts should be along shortly. ;)

1simplexnut 08-10-19 12:01 AM

is it just me that thinks those forks are not right ?

rjhammett 08-10-19 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by ncrnelson (Post 21068560)
Is this the one from the Minneapolis listing?

It was from the Minneapolis FB Marketplace listing.

cinco 08-10-19 12:01 AM

The earliest use of that down tube decal style seems to be from 1975, and the earliest use I can find of the lion's tricolor background on the side of the seat tube is 1977. The chrome stays and Nervex lugs indicate it to be a PX10, but I can find no reference to a two-tone Nervex-lugged PX10 in 1977 or later so I don't know. I don't have complete catalogs from the mid-'70s and the French are notorious for doing things "out of spec" so the best I can tell you is that it's probably a mid/late-'70s PX10.

Nice find. One of these days I'm going to finish up my ~1974.

randyjawa 08-10-19 02:24 AM

Looks like a 1973 Peugeot PX10E to me. This one was in my stable for a short while, then sold with all but two of my bikes...
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...23b8028f8d.jpg

verktyg 08-10-19 05:27 AM

NON! NON! NON!

It's a head scratcher?

Looks like an early 70's PX-10 with a PR-10 fork. The crown is cheap stamped steel vs. the Nervex Professional or Dubois crowns on PX-10 forks. The forks on the OP's bike don't look right but it could be an optical illusion...

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0d66ccec60.jpg

Disregard the decals, look at the lugs.

About 1972 Peugeot switched from Nervex Professional lugs to Nervex Dubois lugs; reason being was that Nervex discontinued making the Professional lugs about 1969???

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...95b1dfe643.jpg

But... there were still so many Professional lugs in the pipeline that they were still available for a number of years longer.

Schwinn continued using Nervex Professional lugs on Paramounts for many more years so who knows.

The Peugeot dealer a few block from our shop rattle can spray painted a Huffy or some such thing white, put on a set of PX-10 decals and a Guaranteed Not Built with Reynolds 531 sticker and used it for a shop bike. So PX-10 decals were available from Peugeot back then.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...580b138cb4.jpg

This older Classic Rendezvous website has a lot of info on PX-10s including serial numbers.

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Fra...t/PX10_history

Serial number on my 1967 PX-10 - 483675

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...daa2f3a29d.jpg

Serial number on my early 70's PX-10 with Nervex Dubois lugs, 2023688

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...32309cb161.jpg

The OP's serial number 1348684 places it older than my 1972 with a 2023688 serial number???

verktyg :50:

MiloFrance 08-10-19 06:12 AM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a06d054569.jpg
My PX10 serial is 11 666 39. That works with yours being mid 70s I reckon?

rjhammett 08-10-19 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by MiloFrance (Post 21068732)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a06d054569.jpg
My PX10 serial is 11 666 39. That works with yours being mid 70s I reckon?

The decals match the ones on this frame including the seat stay caps decals. It appears a previous owner stripped or took some steel wool to the top of the fork crown to show the chrome (unless some were made that way).
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e408793b24.jpg

bikemig 08-10-19 10:12 AM

My mid 70s PR 10 shows the chrome on top of the fork crown.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c30e4fa241.jpg

bikemig 08-10-19 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by MiloFrance (Post 21068732)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a06d054569.jpg
My PX10 serial is 11 666 39. That works with yours being mid 70s I reckon?

Beautiful bike.

dddd 08-10-19 07:36 PM

I'm seeing what looks like a ~1974 bike, with the newer decals and geometry.

Speaking of the geometry, it might be important to use a good long stem (10cm minimum) when riding this bike, to calm the ultra-quick handling.
The frame angles on these post-1972 PX10's are north of 75 degrees, as per mid-1970's team geometry.
These PX10E's ran concurrently with the PX10LE for just a year or two, and were the very last to use Nervex Pro lugs.

Insidious C. 08-11-19 12:10 AM

That fork crown has been discussed before. Enough examples have been posted that one can assume some px10s left the factory that way. Perhaps this crown was used on the ux10 variants to provide a little more clearance for the 27" wheels?

verktyg 08-11-19 03:00 AM

Early 70s PX-10 with a PR-10 Fork
 
@MiloFrance I've never seen a Vélo Jaune (yellow) PX-10 before except for some pictures I found on the internet from Europe. I remember seeing one or two yellow PR-10s BITD.

The paint is beautiful, is it a respray?

Here's a yellow PX-10 that was listed on eBay. None of the components are original and I suspect it's a respray because it has Nervex Professional lugs that were discontinued in 1972 with "modern" decals like on your frame. Those decals first appeared in the 1974 European catalogs and the 1975 US catalog.

As I mentioned in a previous post, PX-10 decals were available to Peugeot dealers except for the Reynolds 531 stickers so going by the decals is not always accurate.

https://velofinds.wordpress.com/tag/px10/
@rjhammett I'm going to stick with my first guess based on the lugs and the serial number that your bike is an early 70's PX-10 with a PR-10 fork.

Here's how to tell about the fork:

The fork blades on Peugeot UO-8 and other lower priced models weren't made of tubing. Instead Peugeot developed a process of rolling sheet metal into a tapered cone, forming the rake and then brazing the seam at the rear of the blade. PR-10 fork blades were made the same way.

It's a little hard to see the seam in these blades because the they've been smoothed and polished. On some bike boom Peugeots the seams were more noticeable.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...273fb1ad8c.jpg

The seams are more obvious in this view of the top of the blades. Also, Peugeot as well as Motobecane and other bike makers used steerers made of straight gauge tubing with a split sleeve brazed in to the bottom instead of a butted steerer tube - see arrow pointing to split sleeve.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1686dc8713.jpg

The way I first discovered the seamed blades was back about 1974 when I was trying to straighten a fork on a UO-8. I put it in a fork bending jig and the seams split like a banana!

I've never seen one of these types of forks fail except when crashed. Millions of Peugeots had these forks and people testify how great old UO-8s ride. So if you have one of these forks, I wouldn't worry about it. Ride and enjoy.

verktyg :50:

verktyg 08-11-19 03:25 AM

PX-10/PR-10 eBay Listing Errors
 

Originally Posted by Insidious C. (Post 21069955)
That fork crown has been discussed before. Enough examples have been posted that one can assume some px10s left the factory that way. Perhaps this crown was used on the ux10 variants to provide a little more clearance for the 27" wheels?

Could be, but...

Over the years, maybe half of the eBay listings I've seen for PX-10 frames or bikes were actually PR-10s.

Think: "RARE Peugeot UO-8" or some gas pipe beater listed as having been used in the TdF because that's what the sticker on the frame says. :lol:

Occasionally it happens on BF and CR too but eagle eyed aficionados quickly correct the error.

Over the years, Peugeot was much better than most of the other European bike makers about conforming to published specs. Think Gitane Gran Sports!

verktyg :50:

MiloFrance 08-13-19 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by verktyg (Post 21070007)
@MiloFrance I've never seen a Vélo Jaune (yellow) PX-10 before except for some pictures I found on the internet from Europe. I remember seeing one or two yellow PR-10s BITD.

The paint is beautiful, is it a respray?
:

It is, although the original dark orange is visible on the steerer.. Sprayed to match my 2Cv...

verktyg 08-13-19 01:46 PM

2Cv
 

Originally Posted by MiloFrance (Post 21073137)
It is, although the original dark orange is visible on the steerer.. Sprayed to match my 2Cv...

For those who are unfamiliar with a Citroën 2CV "deux chevaux"...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...33668652ef.jpg

Besides basic transportation, it could be used to plow the back 40!

verktyg :50:


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