Armstrong Consort build- 1950s English Lightweight
Updated with fixed photos and latest on this project frame, which finally arrived in late 2023.
See below for latest post as of 12/30 2023. Five-speed + triple half-step gearing idea for a light tourer. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...86e62791ff.jpg 1953ish Armstrong Consort straight-gauge 531 frame and fork https://madeinoldbury.co.uk/wp-conte...advert1955.jpg |
Very nice! Looks like a great vintage project.
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Very pretty frame! Congratulations. I’m curiously jumping ahead a bit, with only one shift lever boss are you planning on a period correct 4 or 5 speed, or will you work around that and add some gearing with your much newer crankset?
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I bought a frame from the same seller last year and was almost tempted by the Consort because 24" frames from 1950s England are a bit hard to come by, especially in lower end models with straight gauge 531. It's a lovely looking paint scheme with classic mid-level lugs.
If you decide to go with a more period build than what you expanded upon above, I would recommend just buying the Armstrong Tourmalet linked below and swap out all the parts. It's a couple of years newer than the Consort frame I reckon, but almost all original. You'd save hundreds of dollars compared to piecing the thing together - just the Cyclo Benelux derailleurs and shifter could cost you $200 or more. Another member here owned this very same Tourmalet a few years ago and shared it on BF. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ral...-/264435833347 |
I really can't recommend enough going with a period correct build for the Armstrong Consort, and the idea I mentioned above would be a super inexpensive way (compared to most paths) to make that happen. I've had over the past couple of years and am in the midst of building up a handful of English lightweights from around 1950, and it really was amazing how quirky and efficient they were. Most people think of the great Italian and French builders and components, as those machines dominated mid-century continental racing. But almost all frame designs and components from the 1960s on were modeled on those bikes for exactly that reason, and the unique aspects of British cycle building fell into history.
Having one built up as they were when new is a wonderful experience that few cyclists get to enjoy very often these days. A number of members were who I also know to own excellent examples would surely agree! -Gregory Here are the two I had the opportunity to ride most often thus far, a 1950 Carlton Continental and a 1951 New Hudson Silver Arrow. Opposite ends of the spectrum as far as quality were concerned, but both true British touring bicycles! Maybe a bit of inspiration. Cheers! https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bbb8cac4cc.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...701b3b4794.jpg |
Everyone needs a consort, right? Nice pick up; looking forward to seeing the build.
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Excellent looking frameset. I love how great straight guage can feel.
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Looks a good project.
Does not look like a 60/61cm frame. Will it fit? |
Originally Posted by Wildwood
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Looks a good project.
Does not look like a 60/61cm frame. Will it fit? |
Bike pictured in Post #1 , looks to be a 56/57 based on head tube length - at least to my eye. A far cry from 60/61cm the OP stated was his size. Maybe I'm wrong. And many of us have tried to make a frame fit with many cockpit contortions. :o
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Originally Posted by Wildwood
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Bike pictured in Post #1 , looks to be a 56/57 based on head tube length - at least to my eye. A far cry from 60/61cm the OP stated was his size. Maybe I'm wrong. And many of us have tried to make a frame fit with many cockpit contortions. :o
The Armstrong was advertised as having a 23" top tube (which was typical) and probably has relaxed geometry. |
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spanner twistin' tip - you may discover the frameset's Brampton headset to be of the floating U-race type. these employ 1/8" ball and thar be a bunch o' em. so be careful when you open things up... ;) ----- |
Thanks everyone for your comments and compliments. I'm very excited about this project. It should come together in the next few weeks. I think the bike will end up having many configurations - we'll see what happens.
Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
(Post 21362949)
I really can't recommend enough going with a period correct build for the Armstrong Consort, and the idea I mentioned above would be a super inexpensive way (compared to most paths) to make that happen. I've had over the past couple of years and am in the midst of building up a handful of English lightweights from around 1950, and it really was amazing how quirky and efficient they were. Most people think of the great Italian and French builders and components, as those machines dominated mid-century continental racing. But almost all frame designs and components from the 1960s on were modeled on those bikes for exactly that reason, and the unique aspects of British cycle building fell into history.
Having one built up as they were when new is a wonderful experience that few cyclists get to enjoy very often these days. A number of members were who I also know to own excellent examples would surely agree! Here are the two I had the opportunity to ride most often thus far, a 1950 Carlton Continental and a 1951 New Hudson Silver Arrow. Opposite ends of the spectrum as far as quality were concerned, but both true British touring bicycles! Maybe a bit of inspiration. Cheers! https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bbb8cac4cc.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...701b3b4794.jpg
Originally Posted by bikemig
(Post 21363076)
Everyone needs a consort, right? Nice pick up; looking forward to seeing the build.
Originally Posted by 52telecaster
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Excellent looking frameset. I love how great straight guage can feel.
Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
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Well as I said, I almost bought the frame myself and have worked with the seller before. He's a specialist in such things and this Armstrong frame was advertised as a 24" model, and there's no reason not to believe it! As stated, the geometry was not always what we're used to seeing on later frames and the top tubes are usually a bit long. The Armstrong was advertised as having a 23" top tube (which was typical) and probably has relaxed geometry.
Originally Posted by juvela
(Post 21363970)
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spanner twistin' tip - you may discover the frameset's Brampton headset to be of the floating U-race type. these employ 1/8" ball and thar be a bunch o' em. so be careful when you open things up... ;) ----- |
I'm thinking of finding a Williams crankset to use with this frame. Despite the weight of chromed steel I think it would be more appropriate. Since I want to use an Sturmey IGH wheel with this bike, I am pondering what sort of crankset / bottom bracket will bring the chainline into a good spot. I could of course use spacers on the hub itself to bring the sprocket out.
There are some Williams cottered cranks available on eBay, but I am not sure which one would be right other than that it is 46t or 48t. I have a cotter press so I'm not too worried about using cotters, but would the Raleigh cotters from bikesmith work? As for bottom brackets, would a modern square taper English threaded cartridge BB work? The frame has a crank oiler, so it seems to be mid-50s from my reading. |
You won’t find a cartridge BB with a spindle for cottered cranks, but there are plenty of cup-and-cone BB units still around. Finding the right sized spindle can sometimes be a challenge—much more common are ones for double chainwheels such as Nervar or Stronglight models that came on many 60s and 70s road bikes.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
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You won’t find a cartridge BB with a spindle for cottered cranks, but there are plenty of cup-and-cone BB units still around. Finding the right sized spindle can sometimes be a challenge—much more common are ones for double chainwheels such as Nervar or Stronglight models that came on many 60s and 70s road bikes.
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I rarely get anything period correct because i cant afford to and generally my bikes get ridden everywhere. So at least from me, i will enjoy whatever you do. As for the voyageur, its been my goto commuter lately.
as for straight guage, i still have a falcon with 531 that is a wonderful bike. Unfortunately someone ran me off the road with a truck while on it. It needs a fork straightening now. My latest project is a 1978 motobecane grand touring. I may use my alloy cased aw hub with three rings up front. Not as cool as ur bike but i find those old s.a. hubs very compelling. keep up the good work! |
Hi there,
I have recently fell in with a similar frame! What are your plans for the wheels? ThanksMichael |
I bought a 1953 Armstrong Consort (26" frame) from a second hand shop a couple of doors along from Rotrax, summer '74 or '75. Now restored by Argos and running all more recent kit as a tourer.
only the frame, forks and handlebar stem survive, the last other original bit, the seatpin, broke in the early 80's. I can still remember much of its equipment as it was original bar a 5 speed regina block and chain. colour was bright red metallic but is now a slightly darker red. |
Andy Short: That is a bona-fide Armstrong. Raleigh did buy the company in 1960.
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Bringing this thread back from the dead. Long story short - the frame never arrived due to a number of different mishaps along the way by the courier. I figured it was gone for good. Three years later, the original seller in the UK received it, and sent it to me. Where it had been for three years, no one can say. I imagined it in the same warehouse as the Ark of the Covenant.
I have a 27" Super Champion Model 58 wheelset with Maillard Atom hubs off of a Schwinn Voyageur set aside for this bike. I was thinking of using a five-speed Regina or Maillard freewheel off of my old Competition wheelset (its a fixed gear now), paired with a TA triple up front for a light tourer build. What I'm wondering about is the potential gearing - the TA triple has 50/40/30 chainrings, and the fiver cog is 14-28. Gearing is an area I'm still learning about. Does this sound workable? Seems to me from reading elsewhere that a half step could be 52/47/32 with a 14-32, or some other combo. bikemig posts about his half-step set ups, and I'm curious! I'd prefer to keep the chainrings as-is but I'm not sure if it makes sense. As for the derailleur, I was thinking something French or Italian. Like a Huret Challenger, or Campy Gran Sport. I would need a hangar with this frameset. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...790597de_b.jpgPXL_20231011_203058408 |
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 21373797)
You won’t find a cartridge BB with a spindle for cottered cranks,
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Originally Posted by Ged117
(Post 23114521)
Bringing this thread back from the dead. Long story short - the frame never arrived due to a number of different mishaps along the way by the courier. I figured it was gone for good. Three years later, the original seller in the UK received it, and sent it to me. Where it had been for three years, no one can say. I imagined it in the same warehouse as the Ark of the Covenant.
I have a 27" Super Champion Model 58 wheelset with Maillard Atom hubs off of a Schwinn Voyageur set aside for this bike. I was thinking of using a five-speed Regina or Maillard freewheel off of my old Competition wheelset (its a fixed gear now), paired with a TA triple up front for a light tourer build. What I'm wondering about is the potential gearing - the TA triple has 50/40/30 chainrings, and the fiver cog is 14-28. Gearing is an area I'm still learning about. Does this sound workable? Seems to me from reading elsewhere that a half step could be 52/47/32 with a 14-32, or some other combo. bikemig posts about his half-step set ups, and I'm curious! I'd prefer to keep the chainrings as-is but I'm not sure if it makes sense. As for the derailleur, I was thinking something French or Italian. Like a Huret Challenger, or Campy Gran Sport. I would need a hangar with this frameset. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...790597de_b.jpgPXL_20231011_203058408 |
Thanks Russell. Just wrapping my head around the gearing options. Chain rings for the TA are somewhat expensive, and this build is meant to be "in house" so to speak. Turns out my 14-28 freewheel fiver cog is Simplex. I was thinking of sending it to Pastor Bob for renewal.
Other than Sheldon, any recommended calculator? His doesn't include 5 speeds. |
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 21373797)
You won’t find a cartridge BB with a spindle for cottered cranks, but there are plenty of cup-and-cone BB units still around. Finding the right sized spindle can sometimes be a challenge—much more common are ones for double chainwheels such as Nervar or Stronglight models that came on many 60s and 70s road bikes.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e36595d73c.jpg I didn't like using an ancient English cottered BB, so I made my own! The spindle length is perfect for my 1946 Holdsworth. There was not much room for error! The spindle is made from 17-4 PH stainless steel, the cups are 303 stainless. By the way, there are two common sizes of cottered spindles, English is 5/8" and metric is 16MM. One should avoid unnecessary clearance between the crank arm and the BB spindle. Jim Merz |
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