Death of James Dobson
Does anyone on the forum have any information on the cycling death of James Dobson? He was reported killed in the last couple of days while riding across country. He was featured on the Laid Back Bike Report last Sunday.
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https://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/...ms/2000346002/
A fundraising cycling tour turned tragic this week when a 32-year-old cyclist from Dover, New Hampshire, was struck by a vehicle on U.S. 98 near WPA and Herman Lucas roads in Lamar County. James Dobson was trying to raise $10,000 on the Positive Vibes Tour for CHaD hearts in actionat Children's Hospital at Dartmouth-Hitchcock in Lebanon, New Hampshire. The money was going to help with research for childhood cancers. |
Well, that sucks.
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It was a pleasure watching James' videos on YouTube. Rest in peace, brother triker.
I lived in Southern Mississippi many years ago and am familiar with this road. Straight road with good sight lines. Hard to believe that a driver paying reasonable attention would not have seen him. Still, things happen quickly at (and probably above) the posted 65 mph speed limit. Edit to add this: There is a YouTube video of one of the witnesses who said that the driver that hit him probably did not see him because his view was shielded by another vehicle who swerved at the last minute. |
Originally Posted by Hoopdriver
(Post 20663993)
Edit to add this: There is a YouTube video of one of the witnesses who said that the driver that hit him probably did not see him because his view was shielded by another vehicle who swerved at the last minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbtkuIffMBk
(DIdn't want to change or delete this post as others have quoted it) And the trike adds some extra width to the bike, and a trike can't hang any part of itself off the edge of the road. On a regular bike (the only type I have ever toured upon) I can snuggle up to the edge of the tarmac and my two right-side panniers are over the grass. If I hold my line nice and tight only 12" of me and machine are over the tarmac. Tadpole trikes are at least 30" wide, plus it is hard to keep the right-front wheel right at the edge of the road, because you can't see it properly. So a trike rider will likely fudge a few inches farther into the road. So my setup is 12" in the roadway, and trike riders are 34" into the road. This would be on roads without rumble strips as well. Add rumble strips and we are WAY out in the road on a trike. Another issue, my helmet mounted mirror would be very near the fog line giving me a better angle at all of the cars coming up behind me. The trike guy, with the same mirror, would be about 16" farther left, and trikes are LOW. So there was no hope for the guy to see the second car's position and maybe have a chance to ditch. All he could possibly see is the front grill of the first car behind him. He probably did have the most comfortable camp chair of any cyclist on tour. Personally, I never wanted to be that far into the road and so low I couldn't see far behind me. I did have a hankering for a tadpole trike at one time. For the reasons mentioned, I decided not to do it. Can't imagine riding one in a busy city either. Or maybe they guy was just "taking the lane", as he is entitled to do. |
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 20664504)
He probably did have the most comfortable camp chair of any cyclist on tour. Personally, I never wanted to be that far into the road and so low I couldn't see far behind me. I did have a hankering for a tadpole trike at one time. For the reasons mentioned, I decided not to do it. Can't imagine riding one in a busy city either.
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Originally Posted by Hoopdriver
(Post 20663993)
Edit to add this: There is a YouTube video of one of the witnesses who said that the driver that hit him probably did not see him because his view was shielded by another vehicle who swerved at the last minute.
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-mr. bill |
And those rumble strips are one of the Top-3 reasons I quit bike touring in rural areas. It was sketch enough BEFORE they forced me into the middle of the travel lane. Cellphone use. Rumble strips. Oversized vehicle are fashionable for non-professional drivers. ^^Pick these three in any order. A wide motor vehicle, driven by an amateur, taking up all of the space in the lane, very possibly distracted, and a bicycle filling the lane up ahead hidden behind other vehicles. Recipe for disaster. It does not take much imagination to see a line of cars traveling at 60+mph in both directions, the first car catches a small gap in oncoming traffic, veers suddenly, at speed, across the center line to avoid the cyclist doing 15mph. Then every subsequent car has fewer and fewer split seconds to do anything at all. Cross the double yellow into traffic, or steam-roll the cyclist? It's "El Diablo's choice". |
I would avoid a road like that at all costs.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
(Post 20664817)
I would avoid a road like that at all costs.
No matter how you slice it, it's dangerous IMO. I looked for mirrors on the dude's recumbent in his videos and I could not see any. If you are the kind of cyclist who doesn't worry/care about the cars on the road around you, or have no interest in the CHANCE to save yourself, think your Guardian Angel is going to take care of you, play with your live stream instead of paying attention, then your chances of disaster go up exponentially IMO. I can't tell you how many times I just pulled off the road for a minute on a long bike tour. Hundreds. Maybe one of those times would have punched my clock, or caused a huge car accident avoiding me. I do LITERALLY share the road by putting myself in the other guy/gals shoes and act accordingly for my safety and theirs. Nobody deserves to die because I decided to play in traffic all summer. That said, there were at least a dozen times on tours I can think of where my life depended on the reaction time of a motorist. And I was as far right as humanly possible. Those rumble strips were the game-changer for me. The last straw so to speak. Now pulling off the road requires hitting the rumble strips first. No bueno. |
I haven't done a lot of touring, but you are right in that it's easy to end up on a bad road even with some fairly careful planning and using sat maps to scope an area out. If I ended up on that road, I'd pull off immediately and start searching for alternate routes. South MS has a good network of lightly traveled sub 45MPH two lane roads with good sight lines.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
(Post 20665700)
I haven't done a lot of touring, but you are right in that it's easy to end up on a bad road even with some fairly careful planning and using sat maps to scope an area out. If I ended up on that road, I'd pull off immediately and start searching for alternate routes. South MS has a good network of lightly traveled sub 45MPH two lane roads with good sight lines.
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Originally Posted by Daddy
(Post 20696174)
Perhaps the 'soon-to-be-repleased-to-the-public' police report WILL help shed some light on this event? I suggest staying tuned!!!
Here is a video that I pieced together from a portion of James' tour in which I was involved; I made and installed his BIG LEAF® cycling canopy. That 'report' I referenced will likely make mention of this and observations by other motorists who have offered commentary. Have a nice day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHWDmV2ry9E |
Anyone from the area know if the the driver has been charged, and with what.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
(Post 20696240)
I am expecting a collective yawn.
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It's a "local" story up here because James lived in New Hampshire and his Mom is in Maine. A local Globe reporter has already written a story, and they usually do a good job following up such stories even when they draw out weeks, months, years. Up here we wait for the truth.
Down there they've moved on to the "good news" part of the story - that he has raised over 26K, well above the 10K goal. But honestly prepare yourself for the MHP report to say "it was just an accident." It's the easiest "conclusion" to make in an "investigation." That's what they did the last time. It took 18 months for an out of town, hell, out of country, newspaper, The Star, to complete the followup and correct a Mississippi story. -mr. bill |
Originally Posted by mr_bill
(Post 20700426)
But honestly prepare yourself for the MHP report to say "it was just an accident." It's the easiest "conclusion" to make in an "investigation." -mr. bill 30 years ago I was driving on a country road and came across a nice sized cardboard box in the middle of my lane. Fortunately I saw it a long way off and got around it in the opposing lane. I glanced back in my mirror out of habit before merging back into the correct lane and saw a toddler IN THE BOX! Spun the car around, grabbed the kid, and delivered him to the first house I could find. They knew him. Neighbor's kid. Had there been three or four cars ahead of me shielding my view I can think of one or two scenarios where i may have hit that box. Seems eerily similar situation. I doubt a jury ever sees this case. |
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 20700710)
Had there been three or four cars ahead of me shielding my view I can think of one or two scenarios where i may have hit that box. Seems eerily similar situation. I doubt a jury ever sees this case.
Why we let tailgaters get away with it I'll never understand. -mr. bill |
Originally Posted by mr_bill
(Post 20700744)
"If you can't see you can't go!"
Why we let tailgaters get away with it I'll never understand. -mr. bill If I were on the jury, there had better be some math involved in the trial. I don't believe it easy to prove that the vehicle could have come to a complete stop in the lane no matter how attentive the driver may have been. Hard to find skid marks with modern braking systems. |
Multiple witnesses have the driver tailgating, but if you were on the jury....
(Not to worry though, because more likely than not he won't even get a ticket.) -mr. bill |
What I am afraid of is what happened here in Nebr. A guy on a trike on a little used rural hiway was hit and killed by an 82 year old woman. She was known to have bad vision but was allowed to continue to drive. The Co Att didnt even give her a ticket. He said the cyclist "should not have been out on the hiway with that contraption"!!!!! BTW the guy had tall flags and was wearing a helmet.
The last I have heard the family is losing the family farm in civil court. IMO the family should have taken away her drivers license long before. |
It would be a totally different story if James was a stopped vehicle or a LEO (law enforcement officer). The investigation would be concluded and the driver would have a fair trial and sentenced to life. But since James was a cyclist he should have not been on the road...
Unfortunately non cyclists believe that way and only see the cell phone screen when driving. There are two contradicting accounts of what happened. One is on Facebook and the other from "eyewitness at the scene" on YT. |
Originally Posted by stamp11127
(Post 20712765)
It would be a totally different story if James was a stopped vehicle or a LEO (law enforcement officer). The investigation would be concluded and the driver would have a fair trail and sentenced to life. But since James was a cyclist he should have not been on the road...
Unfortunately non cyclists believe that way and only see the cell phone screen when driving... A young lady yelled from her porch at my touring buddy and I on Highway 22 between Ponchatoula and Madisonville, Louisiana as we rode past her: "You boys tryin' to get ran over??" <-- This is the mindset of most jurors. |
Again, if you are so deranged that you want someone dead, buy them a bike and run over them. You may not even get your hands slapped. Sad.
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