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Any ideas on this older repainted frame?

Those look like Italian lugs, like the ones Torpado and other makers used. What's the BB threading? Seat post diameter?

Lygie stamped frame size in inches on BB, twice, as your frame seems to have.

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Originally Posted by rustystrings61 (Post 21644065)

Those look like Italian lugs, like the ones Torpado and other makers used. What's the BB threading? Seat post diameter?

unfortunately the bike is 9 hours away...and she doesn’t have Tools to check.

I was thinking Atala, but Torpado is a good path. She says the seller said it was Italian, but the bulbous stays made me wonder. No other markings she could find.

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Originally Posted by Insidious C. (Post 21644071)

Lygie stamped frame size in inches on BB, twice, as your frame seems to have.

I’ve actually been looking at those...same head lugs and stays.

Looks more powder coated then painted. She wants big brother to build it up for her?

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Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 21644717)

Looks more powder coated then painted. She wants big brother to build it up for her?

Yes and no. She rarely finds something that catches her eye in bicycles. She happened to be antique shopping and saw this one. She plans on handing it off...it's a bit small for me, and a bit big for her. Not sure who will be the beneficiary...

the "bullet" seat stay caps were very common on low end Italian bikes of
the 60s and 70s. the head lugs scream Torpado but were used by others as well

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Originally Posted by steve sumner (Post 21646065)

the "bullet" seat stay caps were very common on low end Italian bikes of
the 60s and 70s. the head lugs scream Torpado but were used by others as well

I think I am between Lygie and Torpado at this point. I think starting with Atala sort of leaned me toward Lygie when researching...definitely a low end sport model of sorts...probably with French cranks, derailleurs and brakes, though Balilla might have been specified.

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Cycle clearly a Cesare Rizzato product.

Best known Rizzato badge is Atala.

There are also a number of others such as Atlantica, Lygie, Maino, Corso, Rizzato, etc.

The 21 marking on the bottom bracket shell is the frame's nominal size in inches. You will find it to measure 54cm c-t-t-.

Lug pattern is Agrati "BRIANZA." The bulge-formed head typically indicates a low end model.

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Thanks all...! I am going to see what I can find on Maino, Corso and Atlantica.

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Originally Posted by juvela (Post 21647565)

Reading this forum is always an education for me. Great wealth of knowledge!

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Hello again jdawginsc,

Was on a public access terminal in a hotel lobby for the earlier post so was unable to make a fuller message.

Am now back home on me desk model turing thingus so am able to share a bit more.

Frame -

the bulge-formed Agrati "BRIANZA" pattern head is item nr. 000.8356

the bottom bracket shell is Agrati item nr. 000.8507

the fork crown is Agrati item nr. 001.8518

the dropouts are Agrati item nr. 000.8002

fork ends are Agrati item nr. 000.8010

seat lug and bridges are almost sure to be Agrati products as well but do not have stock numbers for them

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Dimensions/Specifications -

bottom bracket shell 70mm Italian thread

steerer 25.4mm Italian thread, takes 22.2mm stem

front spacing 100mm

rear spacing 120mm (if unaltered)

expect pillar size between 25.4mm and 26.0mm

built for 27" wheel with generous clearances

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Serial and dating -

looks to hail from somewhere betwixt mid-1960's and early 1970's

serial shall reveal a specific annum

serial located on right side of seat tube about four or five cm below seat lug
it is not struck with such a large font nor so deeply as are the markings on bottom bracket
may not be readable through the respray
if this is the case you/your sister have a choice between leaving it unknown or removing the paint in that spot
if one went with the second option the paint could be touched up or the area covered with a transfer...

Rizzato serials have this format:

68A3972

the first two characters indicate the year of manufacture
they read bottom-to-top and from the front

here are two samples on Rizzato produced Maino badged cycles:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3bba693af6.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...254a9903b5.jpg

Kudos to Sis on her fine photo work! :)

So often on these I.D. threads readers are provided with blurry cell phone pics taken in a dimly lit basement...and the bicycle always seems to be black. :rolleyes:

Since it is too large for Sis and too small for thee perhaps you may wish to post it in the "for sale" section. At least now you know what it is...well, kinda - sorta. :D

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NB - suspect you can eliminate Atlantica from your researches. this is a super economy badge which appears to have been created to give Atala and Lygie dealers a tenspeed which could compete on price with department store offerings. it had no chrome. AFAIK it was only around for a short time during roughly "the boom" period. IIRC there was just one gents model and one lady's.

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