Emotional Attachment to our Cars
As I am working towards going car free and was looking into the logistics of selling my car, I realized that I have quite an emotional attachment to my car (which - given the costs of loan payments, insurance, fuel and general upkeep - is quite an expensive emotional attachment). I am curious as to what the experience has been in this regard for those of you who have or are in the process of pulling the trigger and going car free.
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Originally Posted by Sir Lunch-a-lot
(Post 20492192)
As I am working towards going car free and was looking into the logistics of selling my car, I realized that I have quite an emotional attachment to my car (which - given the costs of loan payments, insurance, fuel and general upkeep - is quite an expensive emotional attachment). I am curious as to what the experience has been in this regard for those of you who have or are in the process of pulling the trigger and going car free.
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I have a much bigger emtional attachment to my bike. I can't wait to get rid of my car (and it's a good car) as I find it a "burden" to own and maintain, while my bike is fun to work on. It's going this fall and I just can't wait. But then I never had that "car love" thing that so many Californians have. It's always just been a tool to get me from point A to B. Going from point to point on a bike, otoh, is a lot of fun!
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I am car lite. Bought my first vehicle in 1995. Title in mom's name. I would borrow it. Once mom became too old to drive, title was transferred to me. In 2013 some DB kid hit it while it was parked and totaled it. Over 18 years old. Only 108K miles on it, and that was between three people who used it during its lifetime. My ex-GF nicknamed her "Old Bessie." I felt sad when I cleaned her out at the garage and said my goodbyes. Een took a few photos.
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It is difficult because we sometimes identify with the car, it's part of the identity that we present.
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It was admittedly a bit sad when I sold my last car - I'd had the thing for nearly a decade, and it had lived with me in four states and traveled through many more. I'd also dumped a lot of money into it to keep it safe and reliable.
I realized, though, that I was barely using the car and it would have a better life as a town runner for someone who actually needed to drive on a regular basis. Hopefully, the high school student who bought it had a few good years with my old car :) |
People often are emotionally attached to things, bikes, boats; and for some people to their cars. Objects are often considered to have some magical power, such as being lucky; other objects have some connection to the spiritual world. It's just the way our brains work.
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Originally Posted by wipekitty
(Post 20493386)
It was admittedly a bit sad when I sold my last car - I'd had the thing for nearly a decade, and it had lived with me in four states and traveled through many more. I'd also dumped a lot of money into it to keep it safe and reliable.
I realized, though, that I was barely using the car and it would have a better life as a town runner for someone who actually needed to drive on a regular basis. Hopefully, the high school student who bought it had a few good years with my old car :) Many of us have dated people to whom we felt greatly attached. However, in spite of those feelings of attachment, sometimes we come to realize that pursuing the relationship further is a bad idea for various reasons - and so, in spite of those feelings we have to grit our teeth and break things off. In a way, saying goodbye to our cars may be similar: We feel particularly attached and letting go will be difficult and may even hurt, but it may well be in our best interest to grit our teeth and part ways (and maybe have a good cry about it later). |
One looks back at them, like your youth .. in retrospective,
they were simpler and you could fix them yourself.. |
Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 20499056)
One looks back at them, like your youth .. in retrospective,
they were simpler and you could fix them yourself.. |
Spent some time in Boston , in the 70s, they had a CoOp garage,
you rented space and tools by the hour. |
Originally Posted by Sir Lunch-a-lot
(Post 20499088)
That is definitely a huge advantage. I used to try to do my car maintenance myself, but I found that it was such a pain in the butt without proper facilities in which to do it (and then I discovered bylaws that effectively prohibited DIY car maintenance on the street, and later when I had a parking spot lease restrictions that prevented it). Bike maintenance, by contrast, can be done in my living room in a pinch.
Most of my bike maintenance, at this point, is done either in the kitchen or the "hobby room". Of course, I bought a bunch of tools anyway. |
I probably have owned about the same number of bicycles as cars over the years...
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Originally Posted by wipekitty
(Post 20493386)
It was admittedly a bit sad when I sold my last car - I'd had the thing for nearly a decade, and it had lived with me in four states and traveled through many more. I'd also dumped a lot of money into it to keep it safe and reliable.
I realized, though, that I was barely using the car and it would have a better life as a town runner for someone who actually needed to drive on a regular basis. Hopefully, the high school student who bought it had a few good years with my old car :) |
Driving was always a stressful activity for me; I am quite a good driver, having been trained by a pro driver of 20-odd years, but I never really enjoyed it. When I learned that people in the States actually can and do travel exclusively by bicycle, I was intrigued and quickly grew attached to the idea.
With that in mind, the emotion I felt most was relief, after some lingering anxiety over needing a car and not having it. Ultimately though it wasn't a problem. I don't have kids and don't haul heavy or big things often, so any old bike was good enough. |
I think the majority of bike riders (99%... at least in this country) have an appreciation for the technology and enjoy the sport for it's own sake and not for utilitarian reasons or in comparison to horses, cars, airplanes, trains and things..
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Originally Posted by McBTC
(Post 20521371)
I think the majority of bike riders (99%... at least in this country) have an appreciation for the technology and enjoy the sport for it's own sake and not for utilitarian reasons or in comparison to horses, cars, airplanes, trains and things..
Get your calculator out and tell me how many appreciate the technology and DO have utilitarian reasons? How many DON'T appreciate the technology and yet DO have utilitarian reasons? How many have slight utilitarian reasons but mainly ride for sport? How many ride ONLY for sport and NEVER for a utilitarian reason? And why do you give a flying f&c*? |
Originally Posted by Walter S
(Post 20522539)
99% huh? How you calculate that? Why is the number worth mentioning?
Get your calculator out and tell me how many appreciate the technology and DO have utilitarian reasons? How many DON'T appreciate the technology and yet DO have utilitarian reasons? How many have slight utilitarian reasons but mainly ride for sport? How many ride ONLY for sport and NEVER for a utilitarian reason? And why do you give a flying f&c*? This might be because owning a bicycle in the U.S. is more about biking as a hobby or recreational activity than in other emerging economies, where it is more often a means of transport.~Pew |
Originally Posted by ADAP7IVE
(Post 20520308)
Driving was always a stressful activity for me; I am quite a good driver, having been trained by a pro driver of 20-odd years, but I never really enjoyed it. When I learned that people in the States actually can and do travel exclusively by bicycle, I was intrigued and quickly grew attached to the idea.
With that in mind, the emotion I felt most was relief, after some lingering anxiety over needing a car and not having it. Ultimately though it wasn't a problem. I don't have kids and don't haul heavy or big things often, so any old bike was good enough. People who LCF in the US typically don't mind giving up certain cultural norms because they don't feel the need to maximize cultural conformity by participating in every cultural behavior they can. People who come from elsewhere, either temporarily or permanently, on the other hand, often seem to find it more important to conform to what they perceive as cultural standards. Probably the fear of being ostracized for failing to join the car culture is sharper if you are already worried about being treated as a 'foreigner' and scrutinized as such. |
Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20523887)
I have met a number of people who move to the US from somewhere else where people bike and/or use transit and walk more, yet because they think that driving is just the way things are done in the US, they go with the flow and join the herd, so to speak.
People who LCF in the US typically don't mind giving up certain cultural norms because they don't feel the need to maximize cultural conformity by participating in every cultural behavior they can. People who come from elsewhere, either temporarily or permanently, on the other hand, often seem to find it more important to conform to what they perceive as cultural standards. Probably the fear of being ostracized for failing to join the car culture is sharper if you are already worried about being treated as a 'foreigner' and scrutinized as such. |
Originally Posted by 350htrr
(Post 20523977)
Oh, I think most people "conform" to the status quo/cultural standards, especially when it shows a certain amount of "success"... It's just the way it IS.
People who are moving to the US often have the idea that owning and driving a car is a culturally standardized choice, so they basically think, "when in Rome . . ." Probably the percentage of people foregoing car ownership and driving is higher among citizens because there are just a certain number of people who dismiss the need to own and drive a car. They realize they can fit bike-commuting and/or transit/walking into their lifestyles and they just do it. They are not worried about what they are missing out on, whereas someone who is coming to the US to 'fully participate' in 'the culture' may really want to conform to the driving norms as a way of 'fitting in' better; i.e. because they are more afraid of not fitting in. |
Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20523988)
Sure, people conform in various ways, but choosing to forego car ownership is something that many people perceive as a deal-breaker in terms of social inclusion and societal participation. It takes a certain degree of independence to realize that you can choose to live without owning a car and then adjust your lifestyle to fit that choice.
People who are moving to the US often have the idea that owning and driving a car is a culturally standardized choice, so they basically think, "when in Rome . . ." Probably the percentage of people foregoing car ownership and driving is higher among citizens because there are just a certain number of people who dismiss the need to own and drive a car. They realize they can fit bike-commuting and/or transit/walking into their lifestyles and they just do it. They are not worried about what they are missing out on, whereas someone who is coming to the US to 'fully participate' in 'the culture' may really want to conform to the driving norms as a way of 'fitting in' better; i.e. because they are more afraid of not fitting in. EDIT; and, just to try and stay "on subject/topic" cars/vehicles, have become ox, cows, chickens for "showing wealth" as a front to what your "actual" l financial life, IS... Oh, and land, which today means cottages, but 200 years ago meant you are a "land owner", a TOTALY DIFFERENT way of looking at life/fitting in a certain strata of life... or your house, which, TODAY, cost you lets say, $400,000 and cost your dad $4,000... :p |
Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20523988)
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the percentage of people foregoing car ownership and driving... ... |
Originally Posted by 350htrr
(Post 20524124)
Choosing to forgo car ownership today, is like choosing to not have an Ox, or a cow... or Chickens even, for that matter 200+ years ago... It meant, that you are just so POOR that you can't "afford" them... People do NOT want to be "perceived" as "That poor"... EVEN for ideological reasons, unless you are a "fervent believer of said lifestyle"… ;) and.. there ARE some examples of modest living being held up as the "ultimate" closer to "God type of living" (monasteries') everyone else should/needs to try to live, "if "they were just devout enough... and, then, they would live like that. :innocent:
Still, I think this mentality is exactly what prompts people moving to the US to drive, i.e. in order to avoid triggering classist prejudices. Really, all you can do to deal with bias and prejudice against you is to ignore it and act independently, but when you do the people who are prejudiced will ridicule you and otherwise try to punish you and force you into submission to their narrow views. You really shouldn't validate their narrow-mindedness by submitting, but people do because they manage to control economic resources and jobs that people want access to. |
Originally Posted by McBTC
(Post 20524362)
Considering no one drives a car because they've decided to forego bicycle ownership, the notion that the idea of commuting by bicycle and car ownership are two events that cannot simultaneously exist is obviously, totally contrived. Statistics show that most who commute to a job didn't begin the job by riding a bike to work... it's most always something that persons of a certain gender and age toy with as an idea that given the circumstances not only seems possible but also may offer various advantages.
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