You can set world records in competition outside of the world championships, just need to have the correct people and measures in place to ratify it.....believe a couple of world records were set at this years Nationals. I believe one of them was set by our very own Sarals.

I checked the rules.
USA Cycling: See Rule 9A3
UCI: I did not see such a rule.

...and this is UCI...so...9A3 doesn't apply?

@southernfox, congrats on the win in the Sprints!

There's a rigorous bike check. Full check and weigh in, each event. At Elite Nats, it's tended to be "full check and weigh in early in the week, waved through subsequently."

Thanks! I'm so freaking excited!!!!

*I'M* aware of all of this. Every line of it. I had to go through a second bike check, have the bike photographed. And as I was planning to head to doping control, the record was beaten a second time...which means I didn't have to go to doping.

My point is the claim that a UCI record can only be beaten once in 24hrs is false.

Also: we're required to do bike check BEFORE the event anyway. So for the record they check it afterwards, also, and photograph it on the jig.

And we have to get checked before every event (and each day, even if it's a multi-day event like the sprints). And after it's checked, it goes on a rack nearby...you can't take it away, or else you have to check it again before racing.

(I'm no UCI spring chicken)

But you are, though.

You're explaining things to me that I already know through personal experience. Come on, man.

Last year we "broke the WR" for 55+ TP and they checked all of our bikes afterward because of that. The funny thing is that the UCI doesn't have ANY TP world records. So I have no idea why they did what they did and why they talked about the WR.

This year after Larry Nolan broke Vic Copeland's 60-64 2km record they checked his bike and he was drug tested.

We broke the national record for 4,000m TP in qualifying, but then caught our opponents in the final this year. I got drug tested after the final, but not the whole team like when we set it at elite nationals. My guess is that this new record will never make it in the books.

At elite nationals we had some discussion with the USAC official. Their policy was that USAC wasn't interested in paying for drug testing for a masters national record at elite nationals. They put a call into USADA to see if they would pay for it or if we would have to pay for it. USADA paid for it so we got tested and submitted the record paperwork. But I still had to bug USAC a couple of months later to get it listed.

Not sure how interesting it will be. If it's the debate I am thinking, it was hashed out in the 33 a couple years ago.

...sigh. Don't do that debate on here. Here's a resource: I'm an internationally recognized expert.

Whew...now we can talk about the elephant in the room!

This explains your "meteoric rise" through the women's fields on the North American Track scene. I think it's a worthwhile conversation.

You talked to USA Today about it, too: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ess/995434001/

That plus $1.50 will buy you a cup of coffee.

We aren't stupid (at least not very stupid) :D

You know full well what you are doing and what drama it will cause :innocent:


(By the way, my comments are 100% about what happens on the track. Not what happens socially elsewhere. I don't care about that stuff and fully support "you doing you" 100%.)

You mention in your video that you are approaching this as, "An athlete, an academic, and an activist".

Regarding "Activist":
I don't think anyone is saying that you shouldn't be allowed to race. The question is about which division. You have some clear competitive advantages but came here having us believe that you were a prodigy. I felt duped when I found out. Then I was like, "Ah...that explains everything."

Regarding "Academic":
I can't help but feel that you used our niche sport as an experiment.

If you really love the sport of track cycling and want to be a good sportsman in the name of sportsmanship, then let us know. But, as it stands now, I feel like everything that has happened was part of a big social experiment to prove a point and you didn't really care about the sport. It was just a means to an end.

No, I didn't set any records. I wish! Barbara and I "likely" set a record in the TS for 65+ women on a 333 (T-Town), but the UCI and hence the USAC does NOT track records in the TS since last June ( we found out at Worlds)...

The other side of that coin is: Bonnie Woodbury and Barbara Gicquel, 75 and 78 respectively, trained all year - since Worlds 2017 - to set a WR in the TS for women 75+. Bonnie had a very bad year, she was injured pretty badly in a crash, and then a little over a month ago had to deal with a serious illness. She rode at Worlds JUST to set the record. Which the UCI no longer recognizes. "Oh, so sorry, we stopped doing that in June 2018". Talk about a slap to the face....

Dude, c'mon, firstly, it doesn't really matter how you feel. Saying you feel duped is a really selfish way to frame something that really doesn't directly involve you. Trans people are under NO obligation to mention their status to the world at-large, and especially not random people on internet forums.

Secondly, you're literally dismissing all of the training and work that goes in to this sport. On this forum you constantly talk about how people need to work hard, it doesn't come over night, etc. clearly recognizing that it takes hard work, so instead of assuming that SF *also* put in lots of hard work, you throw the benefit of the doubt out the window? Just being trans doesn't make some one an all-star athlete.

How can you say it doesn't matter how I feel? I'm a fan as well as a participant. No, she didn't take a world championship from me or bump me off of the podium. But, I watched her do it to others. Am I not allowed to have empathy?

As noted in the USA Today story, her own team captain (also trans) disagreed with her approach and dismissed her from the team.

Please quote where I dismissed her personal progress or achievements?

I really think you are interpreting anything other than "You go, girl!" as me wholly rooting against her in all facets.

You're projecting a perceived advantage onto the feelings of others. You think it's unfair so you're assuming that others also all assume it's unfair. It's even in the wording you used, "bump off of the podium", as if she doesn't belong.

Also, with regard to the testosterone levels, you're also assuming that SF and other trans-athletes are out there riding around with 17 year old male levels of test, which is DEFINITELY not the case.

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You literally just said "Ah...that explains everything". As if being trans explains all her accomplishments.