Group ride pacing
Just wanted to get some opinions here about organizing group rides.
So I'm part of a large group of riders, but we're not an official club. We organize rides on FB and group chat. The usual protocol is that someone will post a ride a day or two before. It's not necessarily the same person. So, let's say that someone posts a ride for an easy-paced recovery ride. During the ride the speed creeps up to where it's no longer easy. What do you do? Do you start yelling at folks? Do you, as the person who organized it, get to the front and slow things right down? We usually say, for example, easy pace xx kph average. Some in the group are perfectly happy going at the higher pace. Others who signed up expecting an easy-paced ride are not so happy. What say you? |
The leader should slow things down it is their ride. If others want to go faster they should not have joined the ride.
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Maintain the stated pace. If there are guys who want to go faster, let them go. I could never understand why riders chase guys who role off the front on an organized ride with a slower pace. As long as you, the ride leader maintain the posted pace, those who were there for that will stay with you.
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Split the group.
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Originally Posted by colnago62
(Post 21627534)
Maintain the stated pace. If there are guys who want to go faster, let them go. I could never understand why riders chase guys who role off the front on an organized ride with a slower pace. As long as you, the ride leader maintain the posted pace, those who were there for that will stay with you.
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Exactly that. Poor form for someone to show up to an easy ride and accelerate because they wanted a harder ride, but no reason to let them ruin it for everyone.
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It’s called pirating a ride and it happens.
Best strategy is let him/them go. |
Originally Posted by colnago62
(Post 21627534)
Maintain the stated pace. If there are guys who want to go faster, let them go. I could never understand why riders chase guys who role off the front on an organized ride with a slower pace. As long as you, the ride leader maintain the posted pace, those who were there for that will stay with you.
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My biggest worry is that I'd eventually be the last guy left in the slower group.
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Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
(Post 21627932)
My biggest worry is that I'd eventually be the last guy left in the slower group.
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Also posing a question.
Is pacing an issue in other group "travelling" activities such as running, canoeing, kayaking, cross country skiing, snowshoeing etc.? Is it human nature for the fast people to break out ahead and for the slow ones to be left behind? just wondering |
Originally Posted by John Foster
(Post 21627990)
Also posing a question.
Is pacing an issue in other group "travelling" activities such as running, canoeing, kayaking, cross country skiing, snowshoeing etc.? Is it human nature for the fast people to break out ahead and for the slow ones to be left behind? just wondering |
Originally Posted by mcours2006
(Post 21627487)
............................... The usual protocol is that someone will post a ride a day or two before.......................What say you?
p.s. -- we have a Tuesday AM "A" ride. It was announced before we headed out that it was an "A" ride at 20mph average for a 40+ no stop ride. As the season progressed and EVERYBODY got stronger the average pace increased to where we would finish at 22mph to 24mph average. Had new people join in and we would tell them that the ride should be faster than the announced 20mph average. They all typically figured that it's SW FL, so flat and no hills, soooo easy to stay with the group and such it will be NO PROBLEM. After some complaints the announcement became Fast group A+ head out now. |
Thanks for all the response.
The group does have a few fast guys. Their ride is not as popular as it was the beginning of the season. Guys who are consistent and diligent about training continued to get stronger, so this particularly semi-weekly ride was initially advertised as a "no-drop steady pace" ride became just "steady pace". Guys who weren't so diligent in their training would get dropped, and then fewer and fewer guys were showing up for it. But if that's what is advertised, then that's fine. You'd expect that if you couldn't keep the pace you'd be dropped. |
Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 21627544)
Split the group.
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Originally Posted by datlas
(Post 21627783)
It’s called pirating a ride and it happens.
Best strategy is let him/them go. |
Originally Posted by John Foster
(Post 21627990)
Also posing a question.
Is pacing an issue in other group "travelling" activities such as running, canoeing, kayaking, cross country skiing, snowshoeing etc.? Is it human nature for the fast people to break out ahead and for the slow ones to be left behind? just wondering |
Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 21627544)
Split the group.
This isn't rocket science folks. |
Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
(Post 21627932)
My biggest worry is that I'd eventually be the last guy left in the slower group.
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I try to be the rider behind them in a paceline, and when they up the pace, I don't, and have no issue dropping them from the front.
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It works best if there are clear expectations before the ride. Example: A group: 21+; B group: 18-20; C and so on. This worked really well in my last locale as the leaders were held to account (and, more importantly, took responsibility) for enforcing it.
The group I used to ride with in my current locale are a mess because they never did this, so now I mostly ride solo. |
Originally Posted by mcours2006
(Post 21628113)
We've done this as well. Last weekend's ride we had 15 riders come out, but the pace wasn't advertised, and there was a substantial disparity in the fitness level of the riders. It was darn impossible to keep the group together. Splitting up was the only logical thing to do. Trying to keep a single pace for the whole group would have pleased no one.
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Originally Posted by prj71
(Post 21628163)
This is actually a worry? :foo:
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Ride the stated pace. If people want to ride off the front, let them go.
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A stated pace is fine as far as it goes. However, my experience is that this falls apart if the routes are hilly, and combined with whether or not the leader of the ride is a rotated role. You can for example say that it's a 20mph ride, but is that on flat ground? Relative differing abilities in rolling terrain and various climbs. What's the agreed upon pace for 2%, 5% or 8% gradients? How often will you want to stop or slow to regroup, etc? Hard to get away from these issues with groups made up of individuals who don't know each other at all.
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