Disks not ready
Says Chris Froome. Who am I to argue with Chris Froome.
"I don't think the technology is quite where it needs to be' says four-time Tour de France winner" http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chri...n-disc-brakes/ |
Chris Froome is a professional. I am not. Our limits and requirements are different. I am not advocating for disc or rim. I have both. It's not a big deal for me as a recreational rider.
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I'd love to hear his thoughts on running shoes too.
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Originally Posted by bruce19
(Post 21915153)
Chris Froome is a professional. I am not. Our limits and requirements are different. I am not advocating for disc or rim. I have both. It's not a big deal for me as a recreational rider.
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Originally Posted by Andy Somnifac
(Post 21915157)
I'd love to hear his thoughts on running shoes too.
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I guess if I was riding where I needed to be on the brakes constantly for 5-10 minutes at a time and having the rotors warp, I wouldn't be happy with them either. On the other hand, what happens to carbon rims if you're riding rim brakes for 5-10 minutes? I guess if you're a pro, you can replace them as often as necessary so it doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by Ogsarg
(Post 21915172)
I guess if I was riding where I needed to be on the brakes constantly for 5-10 minutes at a time and having the rotors warp, I wouldn't be happy with them either. On the other hand, what happens to carbon rims if you're riding rim brakes for 5-10 minutes? I guess if you're a pro, you can replace them as often as necessary so it doesn't matter.
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@popey makes a good point. Take it out of context - ever been in a race car? For anything but racing (on THAT track in THOSE conditions)... they really suck. Do I want race-driven and funded R&D on my bikes (and cars and running shoes) *$#& yeah I do. But that doesn't mean every bit of tech is ready for my needs - cost vs performance, etc.
Full disclosure... I have a few bikes with rim brakes and a couple with disc. I like the disc brakes a lot. They really are just better - for me... on my routes in my conditions ;-) |
Originally Posted by Ogsarg
(Post 21915172)
I guess if I was riding where I needed to be on the brakes constantly for 5-10 minutes at a time and having the rotors warp, I wouldn't be happy with them either. On the other hand, what happens to carbon rims if you're riding rim brakes for 5-10 minutes? I guess if you're a pro, you can replace them as often as necessary so it doesn't matter.
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It's been pointed out elsewhere that ISN is sponsored by SwissStop, whose disc rotors and pads are apparently much more prone to overheating and warping than those offered by the big 3 manufacturers.
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Originally Posted by Ogsarg
(Post 21915172)
I guess if I was riding where I needed to be on the brakes constantly for 5-10 minutes at a time and having the rotors warp, I wouldn't be happy with them either. On the other hand, what happens to carbon rims if you're riding rim brakes for 5-10 minutes? I guess if you're a pro, you can replace them as often as necessary so it doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 21915306)
Before COVID, I rode with several pros and ex-pros. They were all riding rim brakes. But, they also told stories like "I toasted a set of (carbon) wheels coming down such-and-such pass last week. Second set this year."
I would go as far as to say that carbon clinchers are the main reason why disc brakes are so popular now. |
Originally Posted by smashndash
(Post 21915500)
I think for dry braking, the hierarchy is quite clear. Alloy rim brakes are at the top, then disc brakes, then carbon clinchers at the bottom.
I would go as far as to say that carbon clinchers are the main reason why disc brakes are so popular now. |
Originally Posted by smashndash
(Post 21915500)
I think for dry braking, the hierarchy is quite clear. Alloy rim brakes are at the top, then disc brakes, then carbon clinchers at the bottom.
I would go as far as to say that carbon clinchers are the main reason why disc brakes are so popular now. With that said, I tend to agree with Mr Froome. I can see where if you're riding and travelling a lot, its probably easy to ding a rotor and have to put up with a persistent *shing*shing*shing* sound. If I had to deal with that 30 hours a week I'd probably hate disc brakes too. |
Originally Posted by bruce19
(Post 21915153)
Chris Froome is a professional. I am not. Our limits and requirements are different. I am not advocating for disc or rim. I have both. It's not a big deal for me as a recreational rider.
That's a bit of a rarity. |
Originally Posted by rubiksoval
(Post 21915582)
I think what makes this more interesting than normal is the fact that he is a professional who is being paid to ride disc brakes, and yet he's still being vocal about it.
That's a bit of a rarity. |
Maybe they need to take a cue from their two-wheeled racing big brothers and throw a little duct on the front brake for cooling.
...oh wait, that'd probably cost 1.5w, and the unbearable horror of that proposition :eek: |
Chris Froome bores me. His racing style is boring and his opinions I could care less about. I am sure as person he is just fine but marginal gains make me yawn. Disc brakes are just fine and if you are having issues you are probably doing something wrong. He has mechanics so he should be having issues unless using crap equipment but why would he do that. I haven't used SwissStop rotors but their pads are excellent so I doubt it would be that but maybe that is the problem or he has a really flexy frame that is causing issues which seems suspect. If his issue is over heating a larger rotor would help or learning how to brake better.
Ehhh...he might just want to start another debate on disc vs rim brakes because he was stalking the forum and realized we hadn't had one in while :lol: |
Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 21915681)
Well, he's paid to ride for a team, and Factor sponsors that team. Factor happens to put disc brakes on his bike. He's not getting paid specifically to use disc brakes, same as he's not getting paid specifically to use CX-Ray spokes.
??? He's complaining about the team's equipment. Openly. That's not a common thing. |
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 21915756)
Chris Froome bores me. His racing style is boring and his opinions I could care less about.
He's done some very exciting things in races; surprise attacks on downhills, rolling breaks with Sagan, running up a mountain. Way more exciting than most everyone else. |
Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 21915248)
Yeah, this just boils down to him *****ing about a minor and temporary annoyance - rotors kissing the pads when they're hot. They're not robbing meaningful energy and they usually cool pretty quickly.
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Originally Posted by Phatman
(Post 21915565)
I can see where if you're riding and travelling a lot, its probably easy to ding a rotor and have to put up with a persistent *shing*shing*shing* sound. If I had to deal with that 30 hours a week I'd probably hate disc brakes too.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0c1cd048_o.jpg |
Originally Posted by rubiksoval
(Post 21915847)
You must not watch much pro racing.
He's done some very exciting things in races; surprise attacks on downhills, rolling breaks with Sagan, running up a mountain. Way more exciting than most everyone else. |
Originally Posted by rubiksoval
(Post 21915582)
I think what makes this more interesting than normal is the fact that he is a professional who is being paid to ride disc brakes, and yet he's still being vocal about it.
That's a bit of a rarity. One of the early freeriders couldn't get much help from sponsors because he kept breaking frames. He was doing stuff nobody else was but still. I know a guy who raced drag cars and paid his own way for everything. He was pretty good and got a ride in a car with full sponsorship, just show up and drive. One day he mouthed off about the team owner's son to the paper, National Dragster. No more free ride. |
Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21916103)
Who descends by dragging their brakes for 5-10 minutes?Certainly not anyone hoping to win a race.
Chris Froome says he's 'not 100 per cent sold on disc brakes' as he reviews his new bike - Cycling Weekly I understand that to mean a descent with "constant breaking" over a 5 to 10 minute period. With rim brakes one quick look plus one squeeze of the brake lever confirm I am good to go. I can do both as I am lifting my bike off the wall onto the ground. I don't have a bike with disc brakes but I don't think it is quite that easy to verify their condition. That said, by the time the brake tracks on my wheels are worn out, lightweight alloy wheels for rim brakes may no longer still be offered, so I will have to switch to disc brakes then. |
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