Fattic on eBay
If anybody here gets it, can you post build pics please? I'd be all over it, if it was a 60cm. Would love to have a Fattic.
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Originally Posted by Velo Mule
(Post 21817159)
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTRAODINAR...oAAOSwX9FZLzSU
I assume this is it, too bad it wasn't taken better care of. :mad: |
Originally Posted by mkeller234
(Post 21817166)
that is exquisite
But yes, damn whoever allowed it to get into that condition. -Kurt |
That seller advertises so much stuff as being NOS and has so many overpriced items, I refuse to work with him. Right now he has a Mercian Vincitore frame set advertised as NOS that is literally featured on another website and was described as being purchased for $20 at a thrift store some years back!
-Gregory |
Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
(Post 21817177)
That seller advertises so much stuff as being NOS and has so many overpriced items, I refuse to work with him. Right now he has a Mercian Vincitore frame set advertised as NOS that is literally featured on another website and was described as being purchased for $20 at a thrift store some years back!
-Gregory |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 21817175)
It's arguably one of the nicest framesets on eBay right now in regards to framebuilding perfection.
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It would be convenient if this frame could talk in English. If you look close, you can see that the original customer's name is written in script on the top tube near the seat lug on the drive side. Unfortunately I can't quite make out the name. Can anyone else tell what the name is? What I can tell is that the rear triangle is Columbus. I sometimes made the front triangle with Reynolds because it is a little lighter and sometimes I kept it Columbus too. That seat stay treatment cost an extra $100 in the 80's. I can't see any frame I made in the 70's that matches those specs. I had to cut off the cast bolt system on the original Henry James lug and fillet braze on a longer one I made on my lathe.
I am curious how the seller (who I don't know) got this frame. It has been on eBay for some time and various people have sent me notices it is there. The paint on this frame could be reconditioned without having to strip it all off to start over again (I painted this frame too). It is helpful that most of it is black that can be sanded to feather out all the chips. After masking the red (again) it can be primed with black primer before applying the black color. After replacing the decals a couple of coats of final clear can make it look almost new again. Typically a lot of clears go over the decals and sanded smooth before the final clears so they are smooth to the touch. |
Originally Posted by Doug Fattic
(Post 21817320)
It would be convenient if this frame could talk in English. If you look close, you can see that the original customer's name is written in script on the top tube near the seat lug on the drive side. Unfortunately I can't quite make out the name. Can anyone else tell what the name is?
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Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
(Post 21817177)
That seller advertises so much stuff as being NOS and has so many overpriced items, I refuse to work with him. Right now he has a Mercian Vincitore frame set advertised as NOS that is literally featured on another website and was described as being purchased for $20 at a thrift store some years back!
Let's hope someone buys this and maybe gets it to Doug for a refresh. |
Originally Posted by Doug Fattic
(Post 21817320)
It would be convenient if this frame could talk in English. If you look close, you can see that the original customer's name is written in script on the top tube near the seat lug on the drive side. Unfortunately I can't quite make out the name. Can anyone else tell what the name is? What I can tell is that the rear triangle is Columbus. I sometimes made the front triangle with Reynolds because it is a little lighter and sometimes I kept it Columbus too. That seat stay treatment cost an extra $100 in the 80's. I can't see any frame I made in the 70's that matches those specs. I had to cut off the cast bolt system on the original Henry James lug and fillet braze on a longer one I made on my lathe.
I am curious how the seller (who I don't know) got this frame. It has been on eBay for some time and various people have sent me notices it is there. The paint on this frame could be reconditioned without having to strip it all off to start over again (I painted this frame too). It is helpful that most of it is black that can be sanded to feather out all the chips. After masking the red (again) it can be primed with black primer before applying the black color. After replacing the decals a couple of coats of final clear can make it look almost new again. Typically a lot of clears go over the decals and sanded smooth before the final clears so they are smooth to the touch. Oh crap, this was already noted. :twitchy: |
Originally Posted by Doug Fattic
(Post 21817320)
(I painted this frame too).
It'll be a good day when this frame finally winds up in the hands of someone who can send it back to the master to put it back the way it should be. -Kurt |
Originally Posted by BFisher
(Post 21817349)
Kinda looks like Tom Faulkner, though some script is missing.
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Yep I made a frame for Tom Faulkner in March, 1984. I had a few customers from SW Ohio back then because I taught high school there before I went over to apprentice in England. And my in-laws lived there as well and I supplied custom frames to Pete at the International Pro Bike Shop. I moved back to my home town of Niles, Michigan in 1976 to build, paint and teach framebuilding classes. Because of that work combination and the fact that I took my time and was fussy about frame details, I have never made all that many frames. I was always busy so I never bothered to promote myself much. I'm best known on framebuilding forums where I explain how to switch from brazing with acetylene to using propane. Interest in how to build steel bicycle frames picked up in the 21st century and teaching is mostly what I have done and do now. There are a few paint jobs waiting patiently in-between classes to be finished.
Tom's full on racing frame was towards the end of an era when I built frames for national caliber racers. After about 1985, my customer base tended toward fit recreational riders wanting something better. By then more sponsorship money became available so top riders didn't need to buy their own bikes. |
Originally Posted by merziac
(Post 21817168)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTRAODINAR...oAAOSwX9FZLzSU
I assume this is it, too bad it wasn't taken better care of. :mad: |
Originally Posted by Doug Fattic
(Post 21817744)
Yep I made a frame for Tom Faulkner in March, 1984. I had a few customers from SW Ohio back then because I taught high school there before I went over to apprentice in England. And my in-laws lived there as well and I supplied custom frames to Pete at the International Pro Bike Shop. I moved back to my home town of Niles, Michigan in 1976 to build, paint and teach framebuilding classes. Because of that work combination and the fact that I took my time and was fussy about frame details, I have never made all that many frames. I was always busy so I never bothered to promote myself much. I'm best known on framebuilding forums where I explain how to switch from brazing with acetylene to using propane. Interest in how to build steel bicycle frames picked up in the 21st century and teaching is mostly what I have done and do now. There are a few paint jobs waiting patiently in-between classes to be finished.
Tom's full on racing frame was towards the end of an era when I built frames for national caliber racers. After about 1985, my customer base tended toward fit recreational riders wanting something better. By then more sponsorship money became available so top riders didn't need to buy their own bikes. I just got into the old shoe boxes and found a pic of Tom winning a race. I'm pretty sure the green bike he's on was a Viner, Pete had a connection with them too. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...16abbd4c29.jpg |
I'm drawn to the fork crown on this one. So cool.
Would be neat to see this frameset go to a member and return to Doug for restoration. |
55 seat tube, 57 top tube, not steep geometry. Very pre-1960 Italian and not mid-80s standard geometry.
Any particular reason? Custom fit? Mr. Faulkner have a long torso? Just wondering. I'm no expert by any means, but not what I would consider a full on racing frame for the mid 80s. |
I was one of the people who reached out to Doug - and received a generous reply, of course! You guys are making it hard for me to resist this one. I live in Cincinnati and grew up in northern Indiana. It would great to have a frame, and a great one, from the area. I have way too many projects going, but maybe, just maybe...
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Originally Posted by iab
(Post 21818069)
55 seat tube, 57 top tube, not steep geometry. Very pre-1960 Italian and not mid-80s standard geometry.
Any particular reason? Custom fit? Mr. Faulkner have a long torso? Just wondering. I'm no expert by any means, but not what I would consider a full on racing frame for the mid 80s. Union Terminal https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...41457f9747.jpg
Originally Posted by alexihnen
(Post 21818119)
I was one of the people who reached out to Doug - and received a generous reply, of course! You guys are making it hard for me to resist this one. I live in Cincinnati and grew up in northern Indiana. It would great to have a frame, and a great one, from the area. I have way too many projects going, but maybe, just maybe...
Ironically during that time at my real job, I was on the Dayton Police SWAT unit (called TRT, Tactical Response Team). It was commanded by Tom's brother, Lt. Billy G. Faulkner and I had also worked the same shift, prior to that, with Lt. Faulkner's son (who himself became a Lt.). Billy always looked out for me, I assumed it was because of my friendship with Tom. |
OK nomadmax , let's go halvsies and we can adopt the frame together! :)
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Originally Posted by iab
(Post 21818069)
55 seat tube, 57 top tube, not steep geometry. Very pre-1960 Italian and not mid-80s standard geometry.
Any particular reason? Custom fit? Mr. Faulkner have a long torso? Just wondering. I'm no expert by any means, but not what I would consider a full on racing frame for the mid 80s. |
Thanks for the responses everyone. Especially Doug Fattic. Very interesting history, and information. Bicycling Rules! Most appreciative of this forum. Hey Doug if I buy that frame can you stretch it into a bigger one to fit my 6'3" size? Lol
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