What makes pros so much quicker?
Hey everyone,
September marks my first year in cycling so I apologize in advanced if it's a newbie or stupid question. I've managed to up my avg speed to around 27-28km which I'm happy with. I follow a lot of quick roadies on Strava who average 32-33km per hour which I think was fast until I was watching some stages of the Tour De France and the pros their average 44-47km an hour over 100km+ of terrain. Keep in mind the roadies are also guys who train, eat properly and have a dedicated riding scheduled so what do the pros do that make them so much quicker than the talented roadies? |
Genetics. Same as top athletes in any sport, they got lucky with good parents.
Then make use of it by training properly. |
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
(Post 18197200)
Genetics. Same as top athletes in any sport, they got lucky with good parents.
Then make use of it by training properly. |
You need at least 3 years of regular and scheduled training for your leg muscles. This is where most of us fail.
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Don't forget the top coaches with a track-record of creating Olympic and TDF champions are few and far in between. Their coaching methods often look at odds with mainstream ideas. Even with optimized training schedule and all the time available to ride and recover, it still takes 5-10 yrs to get within 99%!of your genetic potential. Up until that point, you still have a tonne of training and learning to do.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
(Post 18197200)
Genetics. Same as top athletes in any sport, they got lucky with good parents.
Then make use of it by training properly. |
Originally Posted by kbarch
(Post 18197593)
Yes, but that sort of begs the question; how are their genes different? What are the indicators that one was "born" to be a good cyclist? An endomorphic body type would pretty much rule out a career in road racing, but anything else?
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they have better bikes than we do. their wheels are lighter, their cable routing is more aerodynamic, and frames have superior strength to weight ratio.
or so im lead to believe. |
Originally Posted by B1KE
(Post 18197197)
Hey everyone,
September marks my first year in cycling so I apologize in advanced if it's a newbie or stupid question. I've managed to up my avg speed to around 27-28km which I'm happy with. I follow a lot of quick roadies on Strava who average 32-33km per hour which I think was fast until I was watching some stages of the Tour De France and the pros their average 44-47km an hour over 100km+ of terrain. Keep in mind the roadies are also guys who train, eat properly and have a dedicated riding scheduled so what do the pros do that make them so much quicker than the talented roadies? |
Originally Posted by redfooj
(Post 18197627)
they have better bikes than we do. their wheels are lighter, their cable routing is more aerodynamic, and frames have superior strength to weight ratio.
or so im lead to believe. They are faster because they are more gifted. Tou may as well ask what makes one person cleverer than another. |
Only ones who is gifted are stars like Froome or Quintana. You guys do not fool yourself, never. It's all about dedication.
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Originally Posted by B1KE
(Post 18197197)
Hey everyone,
September marks my first year in cycling so I apologize in advanced if it's a newbie or stupid question. I've managed to up my avg speed to around 27-28km which I'm happy with. I follow a lot of quick roadies on Strava who average 32-33km per hour which I think was fast until I was watching some stages of the Tour De France and the pros their average 44-47km an hour over 100km+ of terrain. Keep in mind the roadies are also guys who train, eat properly and have a dedicated riding scheduled so what do the pros do that make them so much quicker than the talented roadies? Pros are still significantly faster but there are some amateurs out there who are amazing when you consider many of them have "day jobs". |
Originally Posted by Robius
(Post 18197648)
Only ones who is gifted are stars like Froome or Quintana. You guys do not fool yourself, never. It's all about dedication.
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Originally Posted by Robius
(Post 18197648)
Only ones who is gifted are stars like Froome or Quintana. You guys do not fool yourself, never. It's all about dedication.
Please report back once your dedication has taken you there. |
Originally Posted by Robius
(Post 18197648)
Only ones who is gifted are stars like Froome or Quintana. You guys do not fool yourself, never. It's all about dedication.
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Originally Posted by chasm54
(Post 18197642)
No. In fact, many amateurs ride on bikes that are lighter than the pros use in the TdF, because the UCI races have a minimum weight limit that does not apply in lower categories of racing. If you want to race a bike with identical specs to that used by Chris Froome, you can buy it.
They are faster because they are more gifted. Tou may as well ask what makes one person cleverer than another. |
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Originally Posted by chasm54
(Post 18197653)
Really, no. Even a routine domestique in a top team is up there in a tiny percentage of the population in terms of the physiology needed for endurance sports. The vast, vast majority of us, including those who race, could never get close to being as good as them no matter how hard we trained.
But I don't know how anyone could say that if they haven't trained as long and hard as the so-called 'tiny percentage' Train that long and that hard and then do the comparisons. This is no offense to you btw Chasm54 as for all I know, you may have trained as much as a pro. But I believe that most people who say things like that haven't even attempted to train 1/10th of what the pros have so they really shouldn't be talking about gene pools and things in general they know nothing of. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=479633 |
Originally Posted by B1KE
(Post 18197197)
Hey everyone,
September marks my first year in cycling so I apologize in advanced if it's a newbie or stupid question. I've managed to up my avg speed to around 27-28km which I'm happy with. I follow a lot of quick roadies on Strava who average 32-33km per hour which I think was fast until I was watching some stages of the Tour De France and the pros their average 44-47km an hour over 100km+ of terrain. Keep in mind the roadies are also guys who train, eat properly and have a dedicated riding scheduled so what do the pros do that make them so much quicker than the talented roadies? Training 25 hrs/wk for years helps. Talent, like many things in life follows a bell curve. Pros are far to the right side of that curve. |
Originally Posted by bakes1
(Post 18197670)
Maybe...
But I don't know how anyone could say that if they haven't trained as long and hard as the so-called 'tiny percentage' Train that long and that hard and then do the comparisons. But I believe that most people who say things like that haven't even attempted to train 1/10th of what the pros have so they really shouldn't be talking about gene pools and things in general they know nothing of. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=479633 there are something like 200 UCI pro and Continental teams. let's say something like 3000 riders (who arent exactly accountants by day moonlighting as riders by night). so yes they train on a pro regiment, and most of those 3000 arent domestiques for a "top team".... we can use use power of deduction to say that your Account Manager buddy who races cat 2 crits on the weekend wont be invited to the Bora-Argon squad no matter how much more he practices |
Originally Posted by RISKDR1
(Post 18197639)
It is a combination of genetics, mental toughness, great coaching, team support, opportunity and desire, not necessarily in that order. I have probably missed something but most of the reasons for success as a pro are contained in those areas.
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Originally Posted by bakes1
(Post 18197670)
Maybe...
But I don't know how anyone could say that if they haven't trained as long and hard as the so-called 'tiny percentage' Train that long and that hard and then do the comparisons. This is no offense to you btw Chasm54 as for all I know, you may have trained as much as a pro. But I believe that most people who say things like that haven't even attempted to train 1/10th of what the pros have so they really shouldn't be talking about gene pools and things in general they know nothing of. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=479633 |
Originally Posted by bakes1
(Post 18197670)
Maybe...
But I don't know how anyone could say that if they haven't trained as long and hard as the so-called 'tiny percentage' Train that long and that hard and then do the comparisons. This is no offense to you btw Chasm54 as for all I know, you may have trained as much as a pro. But I believe that most people who say things like that haven't even attempted to train 1/10th of what the pros have so they really shouldn't be talking about gene pools and things in general they know nothing of. http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=479633 If I had trained systematically frm an early age, and had the leisure to do so full time as an adult, I'd have been pretty good. I'd never ever have made the pro ranks, though, I don't have the raw material. And most people who think they'd have been good enough if only they'd trained better are fooling themselves. |
Making cycling a full time endeavor probably helps. Thats where most of us fail.
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Cycling is one of few sports where poor diet is a benefit. The euro rider eats moldy cheese, fish caught out of polluted waters, pasta and bread. And they eat stuff like hearts and kidneys, gizzards, and lamb tripe. The average euro rider is much smaller in stature compared to his american counterpart.
The average American is feasting on corn fed beef. Packing on the pounds at an early age. Growing beyond normal size. Those early years of soda, hormone enriched milk, and sugar, lots of sugar, are a detriment. 6 foot 4 inches, 250 pounds, size 15 feet, football or basketball are the sports of real men. Then you have your British riders. Tea and scone types. How Tommy Godwin could ride 75,000 miles in a year on tea and crackers is a wonder. |
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