Highly diluted bleach solution on bike?
Don't know if this is the right forum, but it seemed the best choice:
I'm going to bring a bike inside when my trainer arrives. (I'm not allowed outside for you know why.) My wife wants to wipe down the bike with a highly diluted bleach solution (4 teaspoons bleach per quart of water) and let it sit to dry before bringing it in. My bike is titanium, with carbon wheels. Is this going to harm the bike? |
Test in an inconspicuous location.
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I've seen bleach pit chrome plated brass bathroom fittings, but that was straight laundry bleach and it sat a very long time. It also isn't great on aluminum when left to sit. Don't know anything about titanium except what it is and how to spell it.
I'd rather use straight bleach and wipe it off immediately. Then use a damp towel to get the remaining bleach. If she'll agree to that. Alcohol might be better, but again, I wouldn't let it sit. I'd just use it as undiluted as possible. |
Big guess. I think bleach would be my last choice as it is generally corrosive. But having said that, if it was my only choice, I do not think a one time application would be a problem. BTW, I would follow the directions which is to let it dry. One of the quat products maybe a better choice. You could call Clorox and ask them since they make bleach and quat products.
If you are the only one using the bike and you are the one who is sick, you could cover it after use so no one will touch it. And, if someone does touch the covering, they will need to wash their hands. Just a side note,if you are sick, I hope you have a plan to not infect the family. I only say this since the bike might be able to follow you to your 'protected' space in which case it will not be touched by others in the house. Sanitation of that space would be less important. Hoping all turns out well! |
Why bleach? Did you guys murder someone and have to remove all trace evidence? :)
Bleach (NaClO) is corrosive to most metals, and it could also interact with compounds of the epoxy that holds carbon fiber together. Washing it with soap and water is likely as effective and is what is actually recommended against the Coronavirus. Why soap is preferable to bleach in the fight against coronaviru |
As others have said, don't use bleach.
Sunlight or ultraviolet light kills bacteria and viruses. Just leave it sitting in the sunlight for awhile. |
Originally Posted by billridesbikes
(Post 21388790)
Why bleach? Did you guys murder someone and have to remove all trace evidence? :)
Bleach (NaClO) is corrosive to most metals, and it could also interact with compounds of the epoxy that holds carbon fiber together. Washing it with soap and water is likely as effective and is what is actually recommended against the Coronavirus. Why soap is preferable to bleach in the fight against coronaviru |
If you are concerned about the previous owner being infected, just store it in garage for 3 days or so.
Do you bleach all the food and deliveries coming to the house? |
Bleach is unnecessary. The main defense most viruses and bacteria have is a lipid membrane that breaks down easily with soap and hot water. Ordinary Dawn detergent and hot water will do.
Recently I've tried a few other liquid dish soaps, though, and found Palmolive Ultra Antibacterial may be even better -- it gets dishes and my hands even more squeaky clean and free of oil or grease than Dawn, which is already very good. It adds lactic acid as an antiseptic, which may be useful on our hands but probably unnecessary for our bikes. If you want to try heat as a disinfectant, an ordinary steamer wand for de-wrinkling clothing works fine. I use it for all my fabric covered furniture too once or twice a year. It emits steam with very little force so there's little risk of blowing cooties around, unlike hair dryers, hot-air paint strippers and other stuff I've seen suggested. Or a heavy duty steam iron, but those are really awkward and heavy. A clothing steamer wand is lightweight and easy to handle. |
Just use rubbing alcohol instead
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Titanium is fine. Titanium piping is regularly used in the chemical industry (including chlorine gas) for piping due to it's corrosion resistance. Carbon fiber I'd be a little leery of. Probably little effect on the actual fiber but the epoxy matrix probably wouldn't like it. I'm sure the chemical guy cyccommute would have a better idea of what to recommend.
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes
(Post 21388790)
Why bleach? Did you guys murder someone and have to remove all trace evidence? :)
Bleach (NaClO) is corrosive to most metals, and it could also interact with compounds of the epoxy that holds carbon fiber together. Washing it with soap and water is likely as effective and is what is actually recommended against the Coronavirus. Why soap is preferable to bleach in the fight against coronaviru |
How are you going to clean the trainer? :D Leave that box outside for a few days.
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Bleach or not you are all forgetting he has a wife. Any recommendations you offer must pass the wife test first.
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Originally Posted by profjmb
(Post 21388651)
I'm not allowed outside for you know why.
Anti-viral wipes would suffice for your bike or trainer, as would rubbing alcohol (preferably the 91% variety). The diluted bleach your wife wants you to use wouldn't hurt your titanium bike, and probably not anything else. Straight bleach would be overkill. |
I'm still puzzled by "bring the bike inside". Is this your bike? Was it just sitting in your garage? If so, it shouldn't be necessary to clean it. I'd give it a cleaning if it were someone else's bike but not my ownonly used by me. The virus only survives for 3 days or so max, and that trainer has been in the box longer than that. The outside delivery box may have been touched and that may require a wipe down, or just leave it somewhere for a few days itself. I can tell you that an hour on a trainer will feel like 3 days anyway...
But soap and water is the best if you must. I use it on my bike all the time anyway. I have a whole setup for bike washing that I use every month or so, depending on use. |
Originally Posted by dedhed
(Post 21389254)
Titanium is fine. Titanium piping is regularly used in the chemical industry (including chlorine gas) for piping due to it's corrosion resistance. Carbon fiber I'd be a little leery of. Probably little effect on the actual fiber but the epoxy matrix probably wouldn't like it. I'm sure the chemical guy cyccommute would have a better idea of what to recommend.
Originally Posted by profjmb
(Post 21388651)
Don't know if this is the right forum, but it seemed the best choice:
I'm going to bring a bike inside when my trainer arrives. (I'm not allowed outside for you know why.) My wife wants to wipe down the bike with a highly diluted bleach solution (4 teaspoons bleach per quart of water) and let it sit to dry before bringing it in. My bike is titanium, with carbon wheels. Is this going to harm the bike? |
From the original poster: I appreciate all the replies so far. To clarify: no one is sick here. I am not allowed to ride outside, and I have accepted this fate. My wife has lupus, and she is also...anxious about germs. She is also scientifically sophisticated and is convincible. We live in a condo building with a basement, where my bike is. She is worried someone using the basement may have the virus, and so doesn't want me just to bring it inside. My take so far is:
1. for the highly diluted solution, there is little worry of damage to my (titanium) bike 2. there is also not much reason to prefer bleach to some other things like alcohol. (Regarding the National Geographic article arguing for soap and water, which I forwarded but did not read, she says it's about skin and won't disinfect metal.) 3. I'm in Chicago and it may be rainy, so I don't want to leave my bike outside for 2 days cyccommute, since you have been singled out as an expert, given the above, what would you do? |
bleach is the last thing i'd use on my bike. Harmful to bike harmful to skin and eyes.
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Originally Posted by alo
(Post 21388797)
As others have said, don't use bleach.
Sunlight or ultraviolet light kills bacteria and viruses. Just leave it sitting in the sunlight for awhile. The information is from John Hopkins Hospital and hopefully will be if interest. ------------------------------------------- * The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells. * Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies. * The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own. * HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful. * Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus. * Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down fat. * LISTERINE. It is 65% alcohol.om the inside. * NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive. * Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat. * NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%. Cheers |
Soap and hot water is reportedly better than alcohol solutions, at last for porous surfaces. I would just wash it with soap and water. But your wife's peace of mind is what is important, so as long as it is effective and won't damage the metal/paint.
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As mentioned, soap kills (or disintegrates) the coronavirus. Give the bike a good old fashioned soapy wash, then wipe with alcohol for extra peace of mind if desired.
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Originally Posted by profjmb
(Post 21390125)
From the original poster: I appreciate all the replies so far. To clarify: no one is sick here. I am not allowed to ride outside, and I have accepted this fate. My wife has lupus, and she is also...anxious about germs. She is also scientifically sophisticated and is convincible. We live in a condo building with a basement, where my bike is. She is worried someone using the basement may have the virus, and so doesn't want me just to bring it inside. My take so far is:
1. for the highly diluted solution, there is little worry of damage to my (titanium) bike 2. there is also not much reason to prefer bleach to some other things like alcohol. (Regarding the National Geographic article arguing for soap and water, which I forwarded but did not read, she says it's about skin and won't disinfect metal.) 3. I'm in Chicago and it may be rainy, so I don't want to leave my bike outside for 2 days cyccommute, since you have been singled out as an expert, given the above, what would you do? Soap...lots of soap...and water don’t require as much to deal with it. You don’t need PPE, you probably have soap around the house...dish soap of any kind will do..., and you don’t have to worry about ventilation. You can do wash your bike in the storage unit if necessary. It also easier to dispose of gallons of soapy water as well as make gallons of soapy water than it is to make even a small amount of bleach solution. |
I doubt this information came from Johns Hopkins Hospital because of a number of factual errors. A virus is not a "protein molecule". See VIRUS STRUCTURE. Also, DNA is not a protein. There are "DNA" viruses and there are "RNA" viruses. Their status as "living organisms" is somewhat murky; see below. If you want to post a link to the "Johns Hopkins" source, I am prepared to eat my words.
Originally Posted by Miele Man
(Post 21390221)
Unlike bacteria the COVID-19 virus is NOT a living organism.
The information is from John Hopkins Hospital and hopefully will be if interest. ------------------------------------------- * The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells. * Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
Originally Posted by Miele Man
(Post 21390221)
* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living
organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive. *Antibiotics* are not effective against viruses. Viruses aren't "alive" in the normal sense, but neither are they "dead". They can reproduce and evolve, but they require a living cell to complete their life cycle; you could think of them as parasites of a sort. (VIRUS) There are too many errors in the above information to have Johns Hopkins as their credible source. Sorry.
Originally Posted by profjmb
(Post 21390125)
My wife has lupus, and she is also...anxious about germs. She is also scientifically sophisticated and is convincible. We live in a condo building with a basement, where my bike is. She is worried someone using the basement may have the virus, and so doesn't want me just to bring it inside.
Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 21390343)
The amount of bleach you are talking about is about 0.1% bleach. The suggested amount in Miele Man’s post is 1%. I suspect that even 1% is too dilute to do much good.
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Originally Posted by sweeks
(Post 21390606)
They call for a quarter cup of bleach in a gallon of water. I'm too lazy to calculate the concentration, but it's quite a bit less than 1%.
1 gal = 128 oz. 128 + 2 = 130 oz. total solution (2/130)*100 = 1.54% concentration |
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