Why are average speed readings so different on group rides?
Did a group ride today. We pull into to our rest stop and I hear people sharing their average speeds, as we seemed to be pushing it quicker than usual, so folks got curious. One says 18.2, another 18.6, another 19.1.
Are these devices that keep track of such stuff that erratic, or can little things make for legit differences in speeds in a group ride? There was occasional surging, but we basically stayed together. Not that it matters any, but I've experienced this a few times. Just wondered what's up with that. Folks say speed doesn't mean anything, and maybe this is another example of that. |
Any of you have autopause on?
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Some people start them when they get on the road. Some start when they roll. Some start when they start the ride, some start from the car, others not till leaving parking lot etc.
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Originally Posted by PepeM
(Post 21181393)
Any of you have autopause on?
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Originally Posted by TheDudeIsHere
(Post 21181401)
Some people start them when they get on the road. Some start when they roll. Some start when they start the ride, some start from the car, others not till leaving parking lot etc.
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It is likely they are not all calibrated precisely.
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Also, if a group takes a few hills and Joe gets to the top first and Jeff arrived 30 seconds later several hills per ride.....it adds up.
On our hammer ride recently I got about 21.5, a few dropped riders in the second group got just under 20. Nature of the beast. You can start wars over how a computer pauses or how a person records their power averages. |
Different starting points, strava doping, setting gps to not record when speed drops below 10 mph, etc
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Average speed is a fool’s metric.
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Originally Posted by datlas
(Post 21181480)
Average speed is a fool’s metric.
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Some devices measure differently. Some folks have a Cateye, others a Garmin, a Wahoo, some folks have AutoPause set to below 6mph, others to When Stopped, some folks using speed sensors, etc.....
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I've seen some AA going full tilt to a red light and then stopping rather than coasting. They don't want their average speed to drop.
I've seen others have Auto Pause set to 10mph, I have mine set to 3mph so it doesn't include if i'm walking the bike. Finally i've sen the wrong tire size set. |
Originally Posted by CoogansBluff
(Post 21181422)
I assumed that everybody is working w/ a device that is measuring average speed when not stopped. But could be wrong.
Auto pause stops the clock when the device realizes you're stopped and starts again when it detects motion. It uses GPS to do this so there's some lag. To the point, if you go from zero to cruising speed and it takes a few seconds to resume, it's going to miss the part where you were going slowly getting back up to speed. |
I find Strava's real-time average speed is usually abysmally slow. Of course, that could be me. :P
But, I think it may have to do with starting Strava, then taking a few minutes to actually get on the road. Then a few stops. It may fix it somewhat with post-processing. |
Did anyone already have miles logged that included their ride from home to the start point?
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Originally Posted by Ghazmh
(Post 21181827)
Did anyone already have miles logged that included their ride from home to the start point?
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The autopause and stops as mentioned already, but also I've seen GPS acting more flakey on some devices than on others. Making a jagged path, which results in a longer distance travelled than someone with a smooth GPS track, resulting in a higher "average speed".
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On a similar note, I regularly ride with about five guys that all have garmins and not one of us is ever reading the same temperature.
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I guess I'm just lucky because I don't care what someone else's average is.
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Fact: In a race, the rider with the highest avg mph speed wins.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
(Post 21181936)
On a similar note, I regularly ride with about five guys that all have garmins and not one of us is ever reading the same temperature.
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We had a guy with a 10mph autopause setup in our group once. He was slow enough up a few hills he’d lose about 1/2 mile distance per ride recording versus the group. “Hey dude? You’re short a mile.”
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There are a few factors, even for identical courses: speed sensors, differences in how often GPS data is collected, as well as riding techniques like whether or not one makes abrupt stops.
Red lights are generally gonna kill average speed, so anyone who starts recording in town (or rides through town to get to the ride) is going to have a lower average speed, and IME, coasting to a light to avoid unclipping kills it even more. Check some local Strava weekly leaderboards: guys and gals with the highest average speeds are driving somewhere and letting it rip, but not doing any commuting or around-town riding. |
Originally Posted by Sy Reene
(Post 21182035)
Fact: In a race, the rider with the highest avg mph speed wins.
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep
(Post 21182209)
We had a guy with a 10mph autopause setup in our group once. He was slow enough up a few hills he’d lose about 1/2 mile distance per ride recording versus the group. “Hey dude? You’re short a mile.”
Frequently on group rides we end up with several different elevation totals on Strava. We've generally attributed the difference to Garmin vs phone app etc. but it is confusing to go up and down the same hills and find a several hundred foot difference. |
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