Carbon fiber and sub-freezing temperatures? is there a problem?
due to circumstances beyond my control, i am forced to store some of my carbon wheels (campagnolo, zipp, lightbicycle) outside, in wheel bags, in boxes (hopefully by tomorrow), covered in either plastic sheeting, or in soft-shell bicycle bags.
they are under an awning, so hopefully wont get too much snow. the temps are going down below freezing, and then thawing during the day. will they be ok? |
Originally Posted by The_Snail
(Post 23080078)
will they be ok?
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Carbon fiber airplanes with 7-8psi fuselage pressure differential, with carbon fiber components and control surfaces exposed to the force of 600mph winds and fly where the temperature is easily -50f and lower and cycle to where it is +100f several times a day for 25 years or more and don't have any issues.
What conclusions can you infer from the above information about the carbon fiber construction of your wheels? |
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...6/1/012047/pdf
A while ago I was looking into what happens to bikes when you dunk them in liquid nitrogen (There is essentially unlimited I can access at work), and came to the conclusion that it wouldn't hurt a carbon frame, might even help it. Didn't get around to testing it |
wow, thanks for the quick replies
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Originally Posted by base2
(Post 23080105)
What conclusions can you infer from the above information about the carbon fiber construction of your wheels?
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Originally Posted by base2
(Post 23080105)
Carbon fiber airplanes with 7-8psi fuselage pressure differential, with carbon fiber components and control surfaces exposed to the force of 600mph winds and fly where the temperature is easily -50f and lower and cycle to where it is +100f several times a day for 25 years or more and don't have any issues.
What conclusions can you infer from the above information about the carbon fiber construction of your wheels? |
Originally Posted by base2
(Post 23080105)
Carbon fiber airplanes with 7-8psi fuselage pressure differential, with carbon fiber components and control surfaces exposed to the force of 600mph winds and fly where the temperature is easily -50f and lower and cycle to where it is +100f several times a day for 25 years or more and don't have any issues.
What conclusions can you infer from the above information about the carbon fiber construction of your wheels?
Originally Posted by asgelle
(Post 23080141)
Nothing. Unless you can show the resin, mat, and layups used in aircraft are the same as bicycles.
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What we can infer is that "carbon fiber" as it is colloquially known, is stable and retains it's properties in service through extreme and wildly varying conditions.
The darn things will be fine. |
Thousands of carbon fiber fat tire bikes. with carbon fiber wheels are used all winter in snowy climates
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Originally Posted by The_Snail
(Post 23080078)
the temps are going down below freezing, and then thawing during the day.
will they be ok? |
Just don’t let the carbon fiber get wet or feed it after midnight.
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Originally Posted by Ghazmh
(Post 23080242)
Just don’t let the carbon fiber get wet or feed it after midnight.
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Please do not compare aerospace grade carbon fiber products to carbon fiber bicycle frames.
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Originally Posted by TiHabanero
(Post 23080260)
Please do not compare aerospace grade carbon fiber products to carbon fiber bicycle frames.
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Originally Posted by TiHabanero
(Post 23080260)
Please do not compare aerospace grade carbon fiber products to carbon fiber bicycle frames.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
(Post 23080460)
I just did! Carbon fiber is a versatile and lightweight material that finds applications in various industries, including aerospace and bicycle manufacturing. While there are some similarities in the use of carbon fiber in these two fields, there are also notable differences. Here are some key distinctions between aerospace and bicycle applications of carbon fiber:
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
(Post 23080465)
not to be weird, but did you use ai to help write this? I’m paranoid and see it everywhere now.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
(Post 23080465)
not to be weird, but did you use ai to help write this? I’m paranoid and see it everywhere now.
In response to accusations about using AI, I clarify that AI serves as a tool to enhance productivity and efficiency in various tasks. It's not a replacement for human capabilities but a complementary technology designed to streamline processes and provide valuable insights. I highlight the practical benefits I've observed, such as improved efficiency and effectiveness in different projects. I take a moment to educate on the nature of AI, emphasizing that it simulates human intelligence in machines. Additionally, I stress the importance of responsible AI deployment and ethical considerations. I welcome further discussion, offering examples of how AI has positively impacted my life and social interactions. Overall, my response aims to be transparent and informative, addressing any misconceptions about the role and implications of AI in my activities. Can you not think of a better way to respond to the post regarding Aerospace vs Bicycle carbon fibre? Very efficient and informative.;) |
Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 23080144)
But, they don't use carbon fiber wheels on airplanes. What does that tell you?:)
even on routine landings with moderate braking (autobrake 3 on a 737) you see brake temps of 700C. Which would soften the epoxy that bonds the carbon fiber together. this is an entirely different use case than wheels on a bike. Not remotely comparable to answer the @OP's question - storing carbon fiber parts outside should not be a big problem, won't hurt the material, you may see slightly increased brittleness in response to shock loads at low temps. /markp |
Originally Posted by mpetry912
(Post 23080525)
they don't use carbon fiber wheels on aircraft because ...
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
(Post 23080121)
Didn't get around to testing it
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
(Post 23080460)
Carbon fiber is a versatile and lightweight material that finds applications in various industries, including aerospace and bicycle manufacturing. While there are some similarities in the use of carbon fiber in these two fields, there are also notable differences. Here are some key distinctions between aerospace and bicycle applications of carbon fiber:
... In summary, while both aerospace and bicycle applications of carbon fiber share the goal of achieving lightweight and strong structures, the specific requirements, manufacturing processes, and cost considerations differ significantly between these two industries.
Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
(Post 23080465)
not to be weird, but did you use ai to help write this?
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 23080154)
Unless the resins are the same, there are no conclusions you can draw. The resins are (as far as I know) epoxies. There are epoxies formulated to do just about anything but each specialty comes with properties that are drawbacks for other uses.
Originally Posted by TiHabanero
(Post 23080260)
Please do not compare aerospace grade carbon fiber products to carbon fiber bicycle frames.
The only caveat is to avoid getting water trapped in the rim. Not just dampness but pools of water in the rim. The expansion of water while freezing will likely crack the rim. But that would hold for any bicycle rim. It’s also not something that is common in bicycle rims at all so it’s not really worth worrying about. |
Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 23080553)
Of course, Larry is probably AI as well, so it could just be a case of AI rivalry.
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