Taking The Lane
Yesterday, I was on a two-lane blacktop. As part of my route to get to my doctors' appointment. When an 18-wheeler got behind me. The truck driver 'sat on his horn', all the way to the split(straight/right turn-only) in our side of the road. Before I made my right-turn, I looked at the driver. They started shouting, saying there was more than enough room for him to pass me in the lane. I told them that there was no room to 'share the lane' side-by-side, and I wasn't going to end up like a squirrel.
I called their supervisor today, and reported them. I am going to check back in a week to make sure the supervisor talked to the driver. |
Originally Posted by Chris0516
(Post 20589158)
Yesterday, I was on a two-lane blacktop, as part of my route to get to my doctors' appointment. When an 18-wheeler got behind me. The 'sat on his horn', all the way to the split(straight/right turn-only) in our side of the road. Before I made my right-turn, I looked at the driver. They started shouting, saying there was more than enough room for him to pass me in the lane. I told them that there was, and I wasn't going to end up like a squirrel.
I called their supervisor today, and reported them. I am going to check back in a week to make sure the supervisor talked to the driver. |
Originally Posted by Leisesturm
(Post 20589623)
Using a great deal of inference and error correction I think I have the bones of your story straight but you sure didn't make it easy. I guess there was a point to your sharing this but I'm missing it. I sure hope it wasn't encouragement for more of us to follow your lead.
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Originally Posted by Chris0516
(Post 20589703)
The title said enough, as to the point. But I guess you like riding side-by-side, in the same lane. With a 26-Ton vehicle where you can be totally in their blind spot.
As for the shouting part, I try to avoid it, since you're unlikely to change anybody's position in a shouting match in the street. At worst, it will provoke anger and he's a lot bigger than you. If I do say anything, I keep it passive and succinct, and simply state: read the handbook. And ride on. |
Originally Posted by KraneXL
(Post 20589712)
If you don't have your 3 ft., or determine that its just unsafe, you have every right to take the lane. If the semi drive doesn't understand that that's his ignorance.
As for the shouting part, I try to avoid it, since you're unlikely to change anybody's position in a shouting match in the street. At worst, it will provoke anger and he's a lot bigger than you. If I do say anything, I keep it passive and succinct, and simply state: read the handbook. And ride on. As for 'effecting' change in his thinking, correct. That would have been pointless, if that had been my goal. |
You should edit your original post, there's words mixed up or missing which makes it confusing to read.
Anyway, another pointless thing is calling in a week later to the supervisor. No one (at that company) probably gives two cents about it. |
Originally Posted by GrainBrain
(Post 20589828)
You should edit your original post, there's words mixed up or missing which makes it confusing to read.
Anyway, another pointless thing is calling in a week later to the supervisor. No one (at that company) probably gives two cents about it. The bigger companies (a Coke truck) usually do care since they have reputations at stake and usually departments that deal with and record that kind of stuff. Smaller companies and/or franchises where you deal with the owners not so much. Having worked in the complaint department, I can tell you that time is of the essence. Therefore, you really need to address these complaints soon after they occur for reference sake. I personally wait 2 days for my emotions to wane. If its still an issue, I call. If it fades from memory, then it wasn't worth it. After a week, I'd probably let it go. At least it lets you know the quality of the establishment. |
I had an exchange with a local shuttle driver about ten years ago.
https://www.bikeforums.net/commuting...rontation.html After the exchange, I e-mailed the Irving police to complement the responding officers on how they handled it. I also ended up emailing the shuttle company and shared that this confrontation took place. In the explanation, I shared that we both we both used foul language, but I was just a dude on a bike—he was driving their bus, thus acting as a representative of the company. Fast forward almost a year... ...I got on a local city bus and the guy across from me was wearing a shirt with the shuttle bus company's name and logo. I mentioned that I'd had a run-in with one of their drivers and this guy said that they had all heard about it, a company-wide meeting was called and that driver was fired. I was quite stunned and said so. He said the driver was not fired for having the confrontation with me. He was fired because they are only allowed to drive the shuttle buses on airport property and this guy was driving his bus home every night. Our exchange took place about six miles from the airport. |
Originally Posted by GrainBrain
(Post 20589828)
You should edit your original post, there's words mixed up or missing which makes it confusing to read.
Anyway, another pointless thing is calling in a week later to the supervisor. No one (at that company) probably gives two cents about it.
Originally Posted by KraneXL
(Post 20589881)
You never know until you try. I've called companies that call/email back and ask for details, others, you never hear from.
The bigger companies (a Coke truck) usually do care since they have reputations at stake and usually departments that deal with and record that kind of stuff. Smaller companies and/or franchises where you deal with the owners not so much. Having worked in the complaint department, I can tell you that time is of the essence. Therefore, you really need to address these complaints soon after they occur for reference sake. I personally wait 2 days for my emotions to wane. If its still an issue, I call. If it fades from memory, then it wasn't worth it. After a week, I'd probably let it go. At least it lets you know the quality of the establishment.
Originally Posted by MMACH 5
(Post 20590437)
I had an exchange with a local shuttle driver about ten years ago.
https://www.bikeforums.net/commuting...rontation.html After the exchange, I e-mailed the Irving police to complement the responding officers on how they handled it. I also ended up emailing the shuttle company and shared that this confrontation took place. In the explanation, I shared that we both we both used foul language, but I was just a dude on a bike—he was driving their bus, thus acting as a representative of the company. Fast forward almost a year... ...I got on a local city bus and the guy across from me was wearing a shirt with the shuttle bus company's name and logo. I mentioned that I'd had a run-in with one of their drivers and this guy said that they had all heard about it, a company-wide meeting was called and that driver was fired. I was quite stunned and said so. He said the driver was not fired for having the confrontation with me. He was fired because they are only allowed to drive the shuttle buses on airport property and this guy was driving his bus home every night. Our exchange took place about six miles from the airport. |
Originally Posted by KraneXL
(Post 20589881)
You never know until you try. I've called companies that call/email back and ask for details, others, you never hear from.
Anyway, good luck trying to take a lane for any distance here. That's a recipe for trouble. |
Why don't you let them pass?
Come on up to the PNW and try taking the lane in front of a logging truck. Sometimes they will purchase the roads they transport on... they own the road so to speak. When you hear the Jakebrake come on it's only a matter of seconds before....:eek:.... but not to worry... you were dead right to take the lane. |
Originally Posted by Velo Vol
(Post 20591852)
A guy in a Goodwill truck yelled/cussed at me for no reason. I tweeted to the local Goodwill account about it. They responded, asking for more details. I don't know if anything came of it.
Anyway, good luck trying to take a lane for any distance here. That's a recipe for trouble. |
I have ridden in a lot of places where cyclists were ... underappreciated ... and I find that a combination of aggressiveness, defensiveness and an overall policy of Cooperation has kept me alive and riding.
I don't think ti is as hard as everyone seems to make it sound ... but no drama, nobody reads the post, i guess. |
Originally Posted by KraneXL
(Post 20591915)
Why do you say that? Is it illegal where you live, or because of fear?
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
(Post 20592265)
Because you'll soon have a line of annoyed if not angry motorists behind you. Outside of select routes, there are few bicycles on the road.
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Originally Posted by trailangel
(Post 20591910)
Why don't you let them pass?
Come on up to the PNW and try taking the lane in front of a logging truck. Sometimes they will purchase the roads they transport on... they own the road so to speak. When you hear the Jakebrake come on it's only a matter of seconds before....:eek:.... but not to worry... you were dead right to take the lane. Living in metropolitan suburbia, it is set of circumstances. Think of the term 'jam packed'. That is what it is around here. The truck driver I referred to in my OP. Is one of the VERY VERY VERY FEW truck drivers who have behaved like that. The road in question. Is a two-lane blacktop. That is too tight to squeeze by. Without straddling the double-yellow line, placing a cyclist in their blind spot at the same time. |
Originally Posted by Chris0516
(Post 20594007)
The road in question. Is a two-lane blacktop. That is too tight to squeeze by. Without straddling the double-yellow line, placing a cyclist in their blind spot at the same time.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL
(Post 20591915)
Why do you say that? Is it illegal where you live, or because of fear?
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Trucking companies tend to respond promptly if you contact them quickly, but you'll want to have the operator's cab number and/or plate number. That way the company can identify who was driving that route.
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Originally Posted by trailangel
(Post 20591910)
Why don't you let them pass?
Come on up to the PNW and try taking the lane in front of a logging truck. Sometimes they will purchase the roads they transport on... they own the road so to speak. When you hear the Jakebrake come on it's only a matter of seconds before....:eek:.... but not to worry... you were dead right to take the lane. Now if you want to talk about horrible log truck driving, set your time machine for the '80's in NorCal. Those guys were real doozies. I once left a New York medical student and a Korean grad. student at a store on Hwy 1 because we were running late on the last day of a tour and I decided it was best for our other rider and myself to ride on alone and then come back to get them in the van we had at the ride's terminus. While they waited, they were stunned at the conversations between log truck drivers they overheard. Those guys were truly thrilled to nudge cyclists off of cliffs and into ditches. At that point, my companions were pleased we had taken a lot of off-road routes instead of just doing a conventional coast tour. More hills, fewer hillbilly's. |
I've called companies about poor driving on the part of their employees. I'm almost always satisfied with the response. I recently had an electrical company call me back twice to get further details because management wanted to be sure they clobbered the right guy. If one is polite and gives the facts without vitriol or threats, the person at the other end usually wants to make sure there's not a repeat performance. I've also sent emails when I couldn't find the proper phone number and those appear to have worked as well.
This next part is painful to say, because I'm politically a big-government fan. However, the only fleets that appear to be immune to these calls are public fleets (city, municipal power, school districts, county). Maybe I just don't speak their language, but they are highly resistant to improving their driving skillset. |
Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 20650274)
I've called companies about poor driving on the part of their employees. I'm almost always satisfied with the response. I recently had an electrical company call me back twice to get further details because management wanted to be sure they clobbered the right guy. If one is polite and gives the facts without vitriol or threats, the person at the other end usually wants to make sure there's not a repeat performance. I've also sent emails when I couldn't find the proper phone number and those appear to have worked as well.
This next part is painful to say, because I'm politically a big-government fan. However, the only fleets that appear to be immune to these calls are public fleets (city, municipal power, school districts, county). Maybe I just don't speak their language, but they are highly resistant to improving their driving skillset. |
Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 20650274)
...I recently had an electrical company call me back twice to get further details because management wanted to be sure they clobbered the right guy...
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 20650274)
This next part is painful to say, because I'm politically a big-government fan. However, the only fleets that appear to be immune to these calls are public fleets (city, municipal power, school districts, county). Maybe I just don't speak their language, but they are highly resistant to improving their driving skillset. Only once had an issue with a contractor's truck and his response left me feeling the driver would get an appropriate warning. |
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