630 mm used to be the US road bike size standard; nowadays its 622 mm and 597 mm was an oddball Schwinn size. 587 mm was an oddball GT size.
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597mm was the standard size for British club bikes until around 1950. I figured you'd have known that, NormanF, with your love for Path/Club bikes.
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Originally Posted by Doohickie
(Post 16928282)
I also acquired an old Raleigh DL-1 around that time that has 700B tires (aka 28 x 1-1/2).
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Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 16929224)
597mm was the standard size for British club bikes until around 1950. I figured you'd have known that, NormanF, with your love for Path/Club bikes.
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Originally Posted by kc0yef
(Post 16929233)
And now a 28 is a 700 from Germany lol
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Originally Posted by NormanF
(Post 16929247)
Of course but today are practically obsolete. My last path bike had 635 mm wheels, the last size any one is still making tires to fit them. That would be Schwalbe.
SCHWALBE HS130 26 x 1 1/4 (32/597) :: £12.00 :: PARTS & ACCESSORIES :: Tyres - General :: Spa Cycles, Harrogate - The touring cyclists specialist. |
You could get alloy wheels custom built off your existing all steel wheelset. I guess they would lighten the weight and stop well in the rain.
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Originally Posted by GrayJay
(Post 16929031)
Dont forget 507mm for 24" kid MTB's, 571mm for 650c (26" narrow road tires) both are fairly common. There are also a couple of other 20" wheel sizes that all use different rims. I
nterestingly, the outer diameter of the tire for both 507mm and 571mm are very close. I converted a 24" mtb frame into a road bike for my daughter by switching it to 650c wheels and fork and drilling the frame bridge for a road brake on the rear tire. |
Originally Posted by nfmisso
(Post 16928704)
More to the point; why isn't everyone using ETRTO designations? In automobiles, trucks, motor vehicles - just about everywhere else, tires are designated by the bead seat diameter (BSD). It would a great deal less confusing for everyone if bicycling followed the same standard.
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Back in the early '70s, 26" wheels were used on Western Auto and cheap department store bikes and 27" wheels were used on more expensive bikes.
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Originally Posted by 1987
(Post 16928801)
No I didn't mean that we should end up with one size. Rather one size for each category/purpose.
And have you ever noticed how bad most 24"-wheeled kids bikes are? I'd try to keep a kid on a 20" bike as long as possible until she's ready for 26". |
Originally Posted by nfmisso
(Post 16928704)
More to the point; why isn't everyone using ETRTO designations? In automobiles, trucks, motor vehicles - just about everywhere else, tires are designated by the bead seat diameter (BSD). It would a great deal less confusing for everyone if bicycling followed the same standard.
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
(Post 16928242)
The dominance of 700C is a relatively recent thing.
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Originally Posted by iab
(Post 16931280)
In a US-centric sort of way.
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Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 16931022)
Don't forget size of the rider. It gets complicated, doesn't it. Suppose we decide that people over 6'2" (188 cm) tall really need to be riding 30" wheels. Should we make a new standard for them? Should adults buy bikes sized not just in frame sizes but wheel sizes? I hope not. It's bad enough that there are 12", 16", 20", and 24" wheels for kids.
And have you ever noticed how bad most 24"-wheeled kids bikes are? I'd try to keep a kid on a 20" bike as long as possible until she's ready for 26". |
Originally Posted by nfmisso
(Post 16928704)
More to the point; why isn't everyone using ETRTO designations? In automobiles, trucks, motor vehicles - just about everywhere else, tires are designated by the bead seat diameter (BSD). It would a great deal less confusing for everyone if bicycling followed the same standard.
The auto companies, wanting to have simple procurement processes that actually work, have usually set policies that where there isn't a good reason not to, SAE standards ("J-documents") must be used. The credibility of SAE also gives the company lawyers something to anchor their claws onto ("We followed industry good practices," et cetera) as they survey the incoming threats. Other than in the USA there are national and continental standards bodies that serve the same purposes and sometimes agree with SAE. Because the industry is so huge, any released (accepted, agreed, recognized) standards really have a lot of effect. In some cases national safety standards enforced by say, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (which have legal strength), have followed SAE standards and research. In a few cases ISO has developed international standards on topics that SAE has addressed and vice versa. But the ISO standards are usually recognized for their technical authority and generality, but are not usually made into regulations in the USA. SAE makes an attempt to be consistent with ISO. Anyway, no such adherince to standards is true in the bike industry. ISO and some national standards exist, but for the most part cottage builders (like the thousands of custom and bespoke frame builders) are free to have their own ideas and to sell what they think works. It's a much more free market in the wild bike world. But "let the buyer beware" is still an important point, as a result. |
Originally Posted by kc0yef
(Post 16929233)
And now a 28 is a 700 from Germany lol
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Originally Posted by 1987
(Post 16931397)
Just because it's so complicated, the solution would probably need an advanced computer model or CAD simulation. Bug I might add that this is in theory. I am interested in the creative part. Not to make things worse.
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Originally Posted by Road Fan
(Post 16931432)
I have no doubt that a creative engineer can come up with an optimization process and program it, but the range of factors must be weighted. Do you prefer traction, cushiness, speed, efficiency, flat resistance, or what? I think the "optimized" result would be different for different rider preferences.
But it might be a fun on-line toy for bikie nerds! |
Originally Posted by WNG
(Post 16930755)
Actually, motor vehicles have their own version of stupid mixing of measures....why is the wheel size in inches, and the rest of the tire dimensions in millimeters? I recall Michelin tried to introduce the metric radial over 30 years ago, and it wasn't accepted.
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Old article but an interesting perspective by a manufacturer president:
700c vs. 26" Outdated but sort of gives an insight how riders and manufactures think and steer the market. As for myself, scary thought of having bikes with just about every assortment of tire size and type. Old, new, road, knob's, tubulars, clinchers and even tubular/clinchers, 20, 24, 26, 27, 28, 700c. And then there's the LBS asking about my 'exclusive Schwinn' size and not by dimension...LOL. |
And lets us not forget the Venerable ISO
[h=3]26 x 1 3/8 inch (590 mm) [/h] |
Originally Posted by GrayJay
(Post 16929014)
Fat bikes use standard 559mm (26" mtb tire size) rims that are really wide (65-100mm width) combined with a huge tire to achieve tire outside diameter that is very close to a 29'er mtb tire. While they are cushy, fat tires/wheels are really heavy, feel slow on the road and they have some weird self-steering characteristics when used on hard surfaces.
http://www.utahtrikes.com/uploads/ut...0167260686.jpg |
Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
(Post 16931358)
Do you mean "it was already the dominant wheel size in the rest of the world" or "it's only dominant in the US"?
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Originally Posted by 1987
(Post 16928333)
I have an almost antique bike, with the largest tire size ever made for safety bikes. 642 mm, a total nightmare to get a new pair. They are probably still made in China. I've seen them in one online shop in Australia.
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1405204312 http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=392834 |
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