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My understanding is that my local club will not begin group rides until they get a green light from their insurance carrier.
There is a liability issue, no? |
Originally Posted by 2seven0
(Post 21489072)
News flash: "Until it's safe" means NEVER!! I guess FDR was just a blithering fool to have opined that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself. Shake the fairy dust from your skirts and go out and live your life for crying out loud!
Land of the free and home of the brave???? I weep for the future of my country. West |
Originally Posted by RJM
(Post 21488911)
Cycling is a great activity to perform solo during the pandemic, but riding right behind one or several riders is foolish right now,
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My local group seems to be resuming group rides, not sure if they're officially sanctioned or if people are just getting together at the designated times. Either way, drafting the rider in front of you doesn't seem like a smart idea right now since there's sweat, spit, mucus, and who knows what else flying around in the peloton. I'd personally be cautious for the next few weeks as we see everything open up, might go totally smoothly or it might not. Great time to be doing training rides and depending on where you live, just exploring to see something new.
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Originally Posted by CoogansBluff
(Post 21488839)
I wonder what our friendly motorists would think of a train of 10 riders, each spaced 60 feet apart, stretching two football fields.
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Absolutely no risk on group rides until someone blows a snot rocket (so about 30s).
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Originally Posted by 2seven0
(Post 21489072)
News flash: "Until it's safe" means NEVER!! I guess FDR was just a blithering fool to have opined that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself. Shake the fairy dust from your skirts and go out and live your life for crying out loud!
Land of the free and home of the brave???? I weep for the future of my country. West
Originally Posted by HTupolev
(Post 21489271)
You realize that quote was part of a rallying cry for Americans to trust government efforts to mitigate a crisis, right?
Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 21489282)
FDR had polio, founded the March of Dimes and focused a ton of effort on furthering the study communicable diseases. So yeah, kudos on the great example.
But I am not surprised. Flag wearers often don't understand what they are talking about. A good example (besides you) are those who whine that BF is violating their 1st Amendment rights by banning the discussion of certain topics. |
Originally Posted by 2seven0
(Post 21489072)
News flash: "Until it's safe" means NEVER!!
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Originally Posted by 2seven0
(Post 21489650)
Pithy insults notwithstanding, I'd like for anyone to refute my position with facts and common sense:
Is the Wuhan Virus (COVID-19) a hoax? No!! Is it extremely dangerous if not deadly to a very small, very select segment of the population? Absolutely! Should those people most vulnerable take whatever precautions they deem necessary for their safety? You betcha! As for 99.99+% of the population to which the virus presents little to no risk whatsoever is the reaction far worse than the virus itself? Absolutely! Bankrupting thousands of businesses, leaving millions unemployed and plunging tens of millions of people worldwide into poverty will prove to be the greatest mistake modern man has made. There is no reason healthy people with stout immune systems (as I suspect most on this forum are) should drastically alter their lifestyles. You're far more likely to be killed or injured riding your bike, driving a car, drowning etc. than dying from this virus. We all do things that aren't "safe" on a daily basis because we take steps to mitigate the risk. Is this the first virus to infect mankind? No. Have there been deadlier viruses that a greater percentage of the population were at risk of getting? Yes. Did we react as we are now? No. Why not? Have any of you contracted a communicable disease in your lifetime? I have! Guess what- I got sick then recovered! but I certainly didn't tiptoe around in fear wearing a mask everywhere! Or demand it of everyone else! And society wasn't subjected to unconstitutional "lockdowns" by petty narcissistic fools either. Please tell me where I'm wrong. West The population of the US is around 328M. If 99.99% of the population will be unaffected - that means that 32,800 will be affected. SInce around 3 times that many have ALREADY died, it is safe to say that one is way off. All you need to do is look at NYC to see that this one is different. There may well have been 'smaller' responses that would have been as effective or more effective, but to say that this is similar to other experiences that we have had seems very wrong to me. We did what we knew how to do and hopefully future responses will be more targeted (as in smaller) and more effective. And don't get me started on 'safe' (the summer of 2019 was safe WRT to Covid-19 and that will never happen again) or 'science says'. Science has been all over the map, although we have nowhere else to look right now and it is probably science that will ultimately save us here (vaccine). dave |
Originally Posted by 2seven0
(Post 21489072)
News flash: "Until it's safe" means NEVER!! I guess FDR was just a blithering fool to have opined that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself. Shake the fairy dust from your skirts and go out and live your life for crying out loud!
Land of the free and home of the brave???? I weep for the future of my country. West That said, the risk posed by Covid 19 will get better. Doctors learn more, standards of care improve, testing and contact tracing improve. Drugs are in development and studies. A vaccine will in all likelihood be developed. More medical supplies are manufactured. How fast progress is made and to what degree remains to be seen. And with loosening restrictions things may well get worse before they get better. But they will get better. To argue that you might as well say F*** It, because the virus will always be here, misses a whole lot of factors, and is just horrible risk balancing |
My local club in Memphis is still on hold, Glad I got in on the St Patricks day ride before it all shut down. they've cancelled two "big rides" and all weekly rides until further notice
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Originally Posted by CoogansBluff
(Post 21488344)
I was surprised to get the announcement this morning that the main club that I ride with is resuming group rides as early as this weekend.
I realize group rides are occurring in some parts of the country. Locally, I don't know what has changed since the original decision to shut group rides down. I understand opening up certain businesses with guidelines on how to make that safe. Seems that group rides are not only less essential, but more difficult to keep safe. Curious what folks think about resuming group rides. which club? i'm in the area and havent heard anything from the clubs i ride with unfortunatly |
Our greater Raleigh area race team is following the USAC guidelines. If no racing, no team group rides.
I don't care to suck somebody else's spittle at this point. I love Umstead, but with traffic on trails I'm riding solo on the road and in my neighborhood away from folks. And Zwift. |
Originally Posted by rpyr
(Post 21490321)
which club? i'm in the area and havent heard anything from the clubs i ride with unfortunatly
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Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC
(Post 21490253)
You asked for numbers so,
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Our county bike group never suspended group rides. In our county there have been zero hospitalizations, zero deaths, and single digit cases. The only local impact of COVID19 were widespread unemployment and rampant business failures. COVID never really came to town.
Participation in group rides has been excellent this year -- probably a little better than in recent years. (Maybe people are bored.) If COVID ever comes to town, things will probably change. |
Originally Posted by burnthesheep
(Post 21490326)
Our greater Raleigh area race team is following the USAC guidelines. If no racing, no team group rides.
I don't care to suck somebody else's spittle at this point. I love Umstead, but with traffic on trails I'm riding solo on the road and in my neighborhood away from folks. And Zwift. |
I want to remind everyone (and I've been beating this drum a lot) that there are fates worse than death. Covid messes people up, sometimes in serious and lasting ways. Young people are seeming to get over it, and then having strokes. People are getting severe lung damage that will never heal. Severe lung damage means never riding a bike again, in a way people in this forum like.
We have very little idea who's going to get which stick. It's like helmets, you don't need to wear one for every ride, but nobody goes out saying "this is the day I get hit by a car and knocked to the ground so I better wear my new MIPS helmet." |
Originally Posted by MinnMan
(Post 21489769)
My understanding is that my local club will not begin group rides until they get a green light from their insurance carrier.
There is a liability issue, no? The club did look into a form of liability insurance after that and I think they bought some minimal policy. |
I agree with Merlinextralight - not because I also own one (smile) but because what he says is accurate and WHY would you do this to yourself or others??? I actually prefer solo rides, always have. Or a ride with one other person.
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Originally Posted by 2seven0
(Post 21489072)
News flash: "Until it's safe" means NEVER!! I guess FDR was just a blithering fool to have opined that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself. Shake the fairy dust from your skirts and go out and live your life for crying out loud!
Land of the free and home of the brave???? I weep for the future of my country. West |
Originally Posted by marathontiger1
(Post 21490785)
Simple question: exactly how many confirmed cases of cyclist-to-cyclist, group-riding transmission of COVID-19 are there? Answer: zero. And the answer will always be zero. There’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with social distancing.
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Originally Posted by marathontiger1
(Post 21490785)
Sorry, but I’m with this guy. Maybe not the tone, but . . . Simple question: exactly how many confirmed cases of cyclist-to-cyclist, group-riding transmission of COVID-19 are there? Answer: zero. And the answer will always be zero. There’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with social distancing. If you want to go on a group ride, go. If you don’t, don’t. But those who do aren’t increasing their risk, and those who don’t aren’t mitigating theirs.
dave |
Originally Posted by marathontiger1
(Post 21490785)
Sorry, but I’m with this guy. Maybe not the tone, but . . . Simple question: exactly how many confirmed cases of cyclist-to-cyclist, group-riding transmission of COVID-19 are there? Answer: zero. And the answer will always be zero. There’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with social distancing. If you want to go on a group ride, go. If you don’t, don’t. But those who do aren’t increasing their risk, and those who don’t aren’t mitigating theirs.
What we do have is a pretty good knowledge of the viral load necessary to transmit the disease, knowledge of how the virus aerosolizes with heavy breathing, how plong it hangs in the air, and the fluid dynamics of how drafting works. All of that tells you that sitting in the draft for 2 hours, with everyone breathing heavily has the potential to impose a deadly viral load. So until proven otherwise, it is onlly reasonable to conclude it is a significant risk. A few weeks ago, no one thought that you got Covid 19 from sitting across a room with people singing. Now we know some of the most deadly clusters come from singing. As we get better contact tracing and testing we'll know more how the virus transmits. Personally, I'd prefer to still be alive as we learn those things, rather than take poor risks that may or may not pan out. |
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
(Post 21491147)
the reason there's no confirmed cases of that is 1) we have extremely limited contact tracing data, so our knowledge of how the idsease spreads is pretty limited, and 2) most group rides were stopped pretty early in the Pandemic.
What we do have is a pretty good knowledge of the viral load necessary to transmit the disease, knowledge of how the virus aerosolizes with heavy breathing, how plong it hangs in the air, and the fluid dynamics of how drafting works. All of that tells you that sitting in the draft for 2 hours, with everyone breathing heavily has the potential to impose a deadly viral load. So until proven otherwise, it is onlly reasonable to conclude it is a significant risk. A few weeks ago, no one thought that you got Covid 19 from sitting across a room with people singing. Now we know some of the most deadly clusters come from singing. As we get better contact tracing and testing we'll know more how the virus transmits. Personally, I'd prefer to still be alive as we learn those things, rather than take poor risks that may or may not pan out. |
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