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Unknown 1958-60 Track Frame - Need help identifying
I just purchased a used frame from an elderly gentleman off of Craigslist. I was looking for an affordable track frame to complete my build using leftover new stock components I had from 2 previous builds. At $75 I felt it was a good buy. Upon further investigation, I think I may have stumbled on an incredible find. The frame appears (by some frame components) to be Italian but the frame is not marked by any manufacturer or serial number. There are no markings or labels of any kind aside from the Brev Campagnolo stamps on the rear dropouts. Based on the fork I would assume that the frame was built late 50s early 1960s due to the sand-cast Davis fork-crown which was available in 1958-1960. Being the wealth of knowledge that all of you are, do you have any clue what bike this is and its true worth. I'd hate to put cheap components on it and sell it to later find out I had something truly special. And advice you can give would be much appreciated.
*I plan to take better photos (white backdrop) this weekend but was hoping these attached photos might provide a little info. Thanks so much! Being a newbie it won't let me attach photos or a link. Please copy and paste the following to view images of the frame. i.imgur.com/s0TE53D.jpeg or imgur.com/gallery/HWLZ66h |
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...I would also ask your question in the frame builders forum here. Those guys are more likely to be able to identify something like a Drysdale track frame. But wait until you have ten posts so you can attach the photos there. |
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...just looking at your photos, and with no other input, my impression is that the geometry, especially the head tube and fork angles, look pretty steep for something from the late 50's/early 60's. |
OK 10 posts down, here are the pictures
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6249030ac6.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...08bdd3f557.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9a3088f046.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b3bfc5abda.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9c6b3c8b94.jpg Set up taken by previous owner before selling the frame https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e117e15f67.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4522f1f071.jpg Only visible stamp located on the frame https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...020a735d8d.jpg |
Originally Posted by 3alarmer
(Post 21741828)
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...I would also ask your question in the frame builders forum here. Those guys are more likely to be able to identify something like a Drysdale track frame. But wait until you have ten posts so you can attach the photos there. |
Is the bottom bracket Italian threaded?
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10/20/20 Update
Originally Posted by jiangshi
(Post 21744941)
Is the bottom bracket Italian threaded?
Since my last post, it was suggested to me in the frame builders forum, that the frame could possibly be a Chas/Robert's frame. I reached out to the manufacturer and received some feedback. Below I have attached the updated photos once the (completely seized) bottom bracket was removed. It was so stuck I was starting to think maybe the bb was french threaded. Once it finally came off, I was able to determine it is an English threaded bottom bracket. Also attached is a screenshot of the email received from the potential maker. After reviewing the photos, does anyone else have an idea of this frame's true identity? Thanks for the help! https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...517e2e4e5a.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a9b3b7b7a0.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5a8bd19b16.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af93f6e4cd.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...06f173f88e.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ff2ec2522.png |
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After 6+ months of work, she's finally done.
A full list of photos can be found here Roberts Bike | Flickr https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2be4b98d98.png https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de59d02457.png https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...eab18b2c75.png https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...89e8dd4e36.png https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...73aebb0ec1.png https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9c35c8fb53.png https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...be34ff745c.png https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c2255565be.png Period Correct Components dating 1950’s-1960’s: Ambrosio Champion “Dural Forge ET Estampe” Stem 95mm x 26mm Ambrosio Champion Pista Drop-bar Handlebars Campagnolo #1051, Record Pista (144bcd) 165 mm Crank Set with matching Campy Crank Bolts and Campagnolo Pista Chainring Bolts Campagnolo seat post 27.2 diameter, 180 mm length #1044 Campagnolo Super Record Road-Track Alloy Toe Clips (Most likely from the 1980’s) Campagnolo Nuovo Super Record #1072 Seat Post Binder Fixing Bolt 8 x 19 mm Campagnolo Headset – Exact model unknown Modern Components: Campagnolo Record Pista Bottom Bracket Charles Roberts, Chrome Racing Bar Plugs Brooks Cambium Saddle C15 Izumi Jet Black with Gold Pins 1/2 x 1/8 Track Bike Chain MKS Sylvan all black Track pedals 6KU 30mm Deep V Double-Walled Alloy Wheels Novatec Flip-Flop Hubs Christophe Vintage Leather Toe Straps Custom printed Decals provided by hlloydcycles.com Alternate Setup - Nitto B259 Urban Riser Handlebar + NITTO Y-3 Bicycle Stem 6-9 Young 22.2, 90mm |
Beautifully done!
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