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TMonk 08-19-16 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by tetonrider (Post 18992741)
my kid has been really hopped up about 2 things -- watching track cycling on the olympics and seeing sagan.

every night he asks, 'is peter in this race?' no, not yet.

tonight, we were biking for ice creamed afterwards he asks me to go to this little circle where he sometimes has me time him for laps. this time, however, he asked me if i could do a lap as the scooter, then peel off after 2 laps. he was having us do his version of the keirin. pretty wild. didn't realize he was paying attention that closely.

nice!

mattm 08-19-16 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by hack (Post 18995386)
Sprinters named Cavendish and Bouhani. Need to see those two square off and crash each other out.

I haven't seen the same antics from the other big name guys like Greipel, Kittel, Degenkolb, etc. My pro watching is really limited to the last 2 years or so and Cavendish's style may be more of a throwback to a prior generation.

A fair point, but it's not like Greipel et al get through sprints without bumping into anyone, pushing anyone out of their way, pissing anyone off.

They have to do all of those things in order to win.

hack 08-19-16 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 18996160)
A fair point, but it's not like Greipel et al get through sprints without bumping into anyone, pushing anyone out of their way, pissing anyone off.

They have to do all of those things in order to win.

True ... but the Cav stuff just always seems a bit over the top. His pissy attitude doesn't help much either. I'm not a fan so anything he does is amplified significantly.

I did get a kick out of the Giant videos with Degenkolb a couple years back. He wasn't unsafe in his actions, but that guy is more than happy to just shove everyone out of his way.

carpediemracing 08-19-16 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by tetonrider (Post 18992741)
my kid has been really hopped up about 2 things -- watching track cycling on the olympics and seeing sagan.

every night he asks, 'is peter in this race?' no, not yet.

tonight, we were biking for ice creamed afterwards he asks me to go to this little circle where he sometimes has me time him for laps. this time, however, he asked me if i could do a lap as the scooter, then peel off after 2 laps. he was having us do his version of the keirin. pretty wild. didn't realize he was paying attention that closely.

That's awesome.

carpediemracing 08-19-16 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by hack (Post 18987359)
Cavendish has quite a few of these "just racing" incidents. Either trouble seems to just find him or he's the source of the trouble.

I'm a fan of Cav's. I think he gets blamed for crashes that he didn't cause. At the same time I do think he has pushed limits and caused some crashes. I think he's a bit too transparent to hide if he did something on purpose or not, meaning his face reveals all sorts of emotions. No stony face facade there from what I've seen.

I was also a fan of Abdujaporov, who was a bit more aggressive in his pushes etc. He was victimized sometimes, where he got pushed off line and nothing happened to the other guy, or he'd veer a reasonable amount and then get penalized for going off his line. I think he was more a victim of his carelessness in his most famous crash on the Champs, where he just had his head down and rode right into the barriers. I've seen this a few times locally so it's not like no one does it, but each time it happened it was a very good rider making a massive (and most likely a successful one). Based on what I've seen it looks like the riders got absorbed in the moment and neglected to keep looking forward.

McEwen is another that I liked watching.

mattm 08-24-16 12:57 AM

Some guys are riding around in Spain.

Just catching up now; didn't watch stage 1, TTT, meh. I guess one of the teams won?

Finish of stage two was somewhat messy; no big sprint teams, chaos. Something that's kind of fun about watching the Vuelta is the sprints; almost anyone can win.

Also, where is JJ Cobo??

mattm 08-24-16 12:58 AM

Also I splurged for "NBC Sports Gold" subscription to watch it; $20/year for Vuelta, le Tour, some other races too, not bad.

jsk 08-24-16 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 19006880)
Also I splurged for "NBC Sports Gold" subscription to watch it; $20/year for Vuelta, le Tour, some other races too, not bad.

Unfortunately the commentator is extremely boring IMHO, I'm having a hard time getting into the race although part of that may just be sports-viewing fatigue after the Tour and the Olympics.

I understand there's also a 2hr recap broadcast, but it must be on a channel I don't get. I actually liked the coverage on BeIn Sports last year better.

Grumpy McTrumpy 08-24-16 10:36 AM

I have the same package. I cannot seem to view the Vuelta live on the computer. Viewing it on the iphone app works, but the main page takes me to my "settings" and no further. Then it just keeps redirecting back to a page which shows no live option.

tetonrider 09-01-16 08:59 PM

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@carpediemracing i thought of you.

my buddy won a UCi race today with a bike throw! you are always the first person to come to mind.

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i'm super happy for him. he had a challenging early season for a bunch of reasons but is now coming around. hope it results in a pro tour contract for him. you have to beat the top guys to really get the attention of those teams.

@andysti will appreciate this.

carpediemracing 09-01-16 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by tetonrider (Post 19027128)
@carpediemracing i thought of you.

my buddy won a UCi race today with a bike throw! you are always the first person to come to mind.

Attachment 536062

i'm super happy for him. he had a challenging early season for a bunch of reasons but is now coming around. hope it results in a pro tour contract for him. you have to beat the top guys to really get the attention of those teams.

@andysti will appreciate this.

That's awesome, and a good bike throw too!

hack 09-01-16 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by tetonrider (Post 19027128)
@carpediemracing i thought of you.

my buddy won a UCi race today with a bike throw! you are always the first person to come to mind.

Attachment 536062

i'm super happy for him. he had a challenging early season for a bunch of reasons but is now coming around. hope it results in a pro tour contract for him. you have to beat the top guys to really get the attention of those teams.

@andysti will appreciate this.

Nice! He trained down this way a bit during his CalGiant days. He and his teammates would beat us to hell and then go do more miles.

mattm 09-01-16 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by tetonrider (Post 19027128)
@carpediemracing i thought of you.

my buddy won a UCi race today with a bike throw! you are always the first person to come to mind.

Attachment 536062

i'm super happy for him. he had a challenging early season for a bunch of reasons but is now coming around. hope it results in a pro tour contract for him. you have to beat the top guys to really get the attention of those teams.

@andysti will appreciate this.

Who is your buddy?

Btw seems like he would've won it without the throw.. but it can't hurt to try!

Better to play it safe it than to lose to a good throw.

mattm 09-01-16 10:19 PM

As for the Vuelta; yeah the announcer (only one, wtf) is pretty bland.. with one person though that's a lot of blank space to fill.

The racing is pretty good; Quintana looking strong, Froome looking stronger.

hack 09-01-16 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 19027245)
As for the Vuelta; yeah the announcer (only one, wtf) is pretty bland.. with one person though that's a lot of blank space to fill.

The racing is pretty good; Quintana looking strong, Froome looking stronger.

Haven't seen much of it other than a few streaming final kilometers here and there. Seems to be more of a race than the Tour was, that's for sure.

tetonrider 09-01-16 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 19027241)
Who is your buddy?

Btw seems like he would've won it without the throw.. but it can't hurt to try!

Better to play it safe it than to lose to a good throw.

those images distort time. saw one the other day from a friend's race and the gap was shocking for the time difference.

64kph ~ 18m/s

0.02" ~ 1/2 a wheel

not throwing in that circumstance would be risky, IMO. (i didn't watch it live -- not sure if he came from behind / was accelerating; that would make a difference...maybe.)

PepeM 09-02-16 07:08 AM

He was the first one to jump and had a decent gap, the Cannondale rider was closing down on him.

carpediemracing 09-02-16 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 19027241)
Btw seems like he would've won it without the throw.. but it can't hurt to try!

Better to play it safe it than to lose to a good throw.

I think he'd have won without the throw based on head/shoulder placement, but that's a static shot. In reality the situation dictates what the rider does, and when it's a big race like that the rider should always throw the bike.

I won a race by half a wheel and if you asked me as soon as I finished if I won I would have told you I had no idea - I thought it was 50-50 that I lost. I can't imagine a tire width margin, I'd have sworn up and down I lost.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HfmwhH3XB...417_photo7.jpg


Not me but a good example of where head/shoulder placement shows that one rider should have beaten the other to the line, except for bike throw. #248 beats the orange jersey even though orange jersey's body is ahead:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sFjhHiAeMh...7.20.31+PM.png

mattm 09-04-16 11:54 PM

Vuelta: awesome move by Quintana, getting in the break and putting time on Froome! Who says modern bike racing is boring??

Tour of Britain: Greipel finished it off so well, his team doing great work to put him in to that last corner perfectly. Cavendish crashed out in said last corner.. no video of crash but he didn't look banged up.

PepeM 09-05-16 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by mattm (Post 19033240)
Vuelta: awesome move by Quintana, getting in the break and putting time on Froome! Who says modern bike racing is boring??

Credit also needs to go to Contador for actually instigating the break.

mattm 09-05-16 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by PepeM (Post 19033537)
Credit also needs to go to Contador for actually instigating the break.

Indeed.

And Brambilla can't be left out, he was a co-conspirator for sure! And it paid off in the end for "Brambi"

TheKillerPenguin 09-10-16 07:26 AM

This Vuelta has been awesome. If I take nothing else from it, I now have a massive man crush on Gesink, who has been in like half of the breakaways.

furiousferret 09-10-16 08:41 AM

It's been the best Grand Tour this year by a long shot.

mattm 09-10-16 05:46 PM

Yeah it's been good - Quintana's attack in the last 20m today was cute, but I wish he would've attacked Froome earlier (like for real) but I guess it's not worth it to risk the red jersey for a little flair.

Surprised that Contador lost 3rd, and that Tolansky got 5th.

mattm 09-10-16 11:18 PM

Also, the NBC Sports Gold feed of the Tour of Britain now features what seems to be live race radio; played over the announcers.. which is good and bad.

It's neat to hear what I presume the riders (and/or DSs?) hear in real time ("road narrows", "attacking at the front, no advantage", "rider 181 has rejoined the group"). It would make racing so different to know wtf is going on at the front when you're on the back, and vice-versa.

But it's also annoying that they play it at the same time as the announcers. Better than the Sky(?) TV-control lady from a few days ago, that was weird.


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