Road Race Tactics
Alright all, need to settle an argument between teammates.
In a Road Race, 90k or so, with 40 riders and 3 teams with 6 or more riders, what is the best tactic for a smaller team with 3 or 4 riders? Some specifics:
What is the better tactic? |
Originally Posted by steven.burkard
(Post 20819001)
Alright all, need to settle an argument between teammates.
In a Road Race, 90k or so, with 40 riders and 3 teams with 6 or more riders, what is the best tactic for a smaller team with 3 or 4 riders? Some specifics:
What is the better tactic? |
Do both. That's the tactic. You up the road with your sprinter in the field.
That's just about every tactic for every team ever. |
Originally Posted by steven.burkard
(Post 20819001)
Alright all, need to settle an argument between teammates.
In a Road Race, 90k or so, with 40 riders and 3 teams with 6 or more riders, what is the best tactic for a smaller team with 3 or 4 riders? Some specifics:
What is the better tactic? I'd say go after the race splits up on the 2nd lap. What was the general dispute on the team anyway? |
Originally Posted by rubiksoval
(Post 20819300)
Do both. That's the tactic. You up the road with your sprinter in the field.
That's just about every tactic for every team ever. |
Originally Posted by mattm
(Post 20819579)
I think we all agree you should go up the road, the question is when. If you go up too early, everyone is still fresh and will chase you back.
I'd say go after the race splits up on the 2nd lap. What was the general dispute on the team anyway? That is perfect, and you are totally right, on the first lap the only organized team won't let anyone get away. The question I would ask is if the top of the hill on the second lap is a little late. About 20k to the finish and everyone still there will be pretty motivated. Maybe go just before the downhill? |
I've never done a race where I could just pick where the break would stick. Just try multiple spots, at multiple times.
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yeah. I find it's best to have a plan that's a bit broader; i.e. long break, short break. It isn't always up to you. The winning move goes up the road you best be there, otherwise you're carefully crafted plan doesn't mean much.
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I have no experience in this other than following race video and results for the pro team that our company sponsors, as a fan.
They're not big/strong enough to ever get more than one guy in the break. I notice that guy tends to do fine/well if the other teams only have one guy also each. If a team gets more than one, it can be a lot tougher. Just seems that way from watching the replays and results as I pull for those guys. |
What's a "Road Race"? We don't have those here. Is it anything like these "Gravel Events" that are all over the place now?
Sorry - just came here to post that and generally not be helpful and lament my life and the current position of this sport. |
I find that the best tactics usually belong to the strongest guys...
There are two guys around here that have the tactics just nailed... or so it would seem were it not for the fact that they're both heads and shoulders above everyone else in the field. It's pretty easy to put a guy in the break, bridge up to the break, drop the other dudes, then have your sprinter win the field sprint if you're just that much better than everyone. Case in point: Hincapie went to this local amateur stage race in GA last weekend and went 1-7 in the opening crit stage. The year prior to that they went 1-5, so I guess they were keen on improvement. That's not really tactics at that point. That's just being the boss. |
Originally Posted by burnthesheep
(Post 20821774)
I have no experience in this other than following race video and results for the pro team that our company sponsors, as a fan.
They're not big/strong enough to ever get more than one guy in the break. I notice that guy tends to do fine/well if the other teams only have one guy also each. If a team gets more than one, it can be a lot tougher. Just seems that way from watching the replays and results as I pull for those guys. |
my road race tactic is to not do road races
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval
(Post 20822607)
I find that the best tactics usually belong to the strongest guys...
There are two guys around here that have the tactics just nailed... or so it would seem were it not for the fact that they're both heads and shoulders above everyone else in the field. It's pretty easy to put a guy in the break, bridge up to the break, drop the other dudes, then have your sprinter win the field sprint if you're just that much better than everyone. Case in point: Hincapie went to this local amateur stage race in GA last weekend and went 1-7 in the opening crit stage. The year prior to that they went 1-5, so I guess they were keen on improvement. That's not really tactics at that point. That's just being the boss. |
Originally Posted by tobukog
(Post 20823935)
I think it was Stetina who said, "It's easy to look smart if you're strong."
Slow in the corner.... |
Originally Posted by Doge
(Post 20827892)
Wayne or Peter or Pops?
Slow in the corner.... |
Maybe try your attack after the field splits, sometime in the second lap. It might mean going for it on the descent, if the field splits up the hill. Breaking away is no easy thing. Beautiful when it works. A lot depends on the luck of who goes with you and what they want to do, and that's mostly out of your control.
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Originally Posted by tobukog
(Post 20828386)
Pops. Or it could have been Thurlow. It was one of them...
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Originally Posted by steven.burkard
(Post 20819001)
Alright all, need to settle an argument between teammates.
In a Road Race, 90k or so, with 40 riders and 3 teams with 6 or more riders, what is the best tactic for a smaller team with 3 or 4 riders? Some specifics:
What is the better tactic? I'd say the best chance for a small team is for your sprinter to stay close to the front and dig deep on the lap 2 KOM and then you keep him out of the wind until the last corner. The sprint is one of the safer courses IMO. |
Unless you ride for Speed theory. In that case your best bet is to pull the field around really hard like a triathlete and then get dropped.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
(Post 20832016)
I'm from Edmonton... I know exactly the race you are referring to. I generally got popped at the top of the KOM each lap but almost always was able to rejoin by around the feed zone. The selective hill is too far from the finish to make it a climbers course.
I'd say the best chance for a small team is for your sprinter to stay close to the front and dig deep on the lap 2 KOM and then you keep him out of the wind until the last corner. The sprint is one of the safer courses IMO. |
Originally Posted by rubiksoval
(Post 20822614)
Which team?
Charles Planet always seems to go in the break and go after some intermediate sprint points and does pretty well at that. One day watching them they had more than just him alone in the break and it seemed he was able to win more IS points that day having a teammate there. Correlation, causation, probability, buyer beware.......all that. Just something I saw. I wonder if he was fresher for the IS points tries each time with a helper. Some years they let us do a company participation in a fondo or something and buy us the kit from that year. We also get good discounts in the team store as employees, good enough that I'm willing to look like a wannabe racer moving billboard versus paying full retail for some Rapha or other stuff at 3 to 4x the cost. It almost always gets the comment from the local velominati on the hammer ride. I don't care. |
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