Mafac vs Zeus brakes ?
The Mafac are from France the Zeus from Spain, what do you think about both, for road bike with center mount ?reach near 50mm front.
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I cannot comment on Zeus brakes, but I am a big fan of Mafac centerpulls. They provide excellent stopping power and have a great feel with new pads and fresh cables and housing. The lever reach is on the large side, so they may not be the best choice for those with smaller hands/short fingers.
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Are you looking at specific MAFAC and Zeus models? Functionally, they'll all work to stop your bike. Depending on the specific model, Zeus tend to have a better finish. Zeus also tend to be shorter reach than MAFAC. But really, we need to know models to be more specific.
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Zeus centre-pull brakes tend to follow the Universal/Weinmann school of design, unlike the MAFAC, which are much more adjustable. The greater adjustments of MAFAC means the brakes can be finely tuned in the hands of a knowledgeable mechanic but in the hands of a novice it can also lead to deterioration of performance. The Zeus are much simpler and somewhat mistakeproof, leading to more consistent performance in the hands of a novice mechanic.
MAFAC centre-pull have always had a reputation as good stoppers but I've always credited much of this due to the larger contact area of the OEM pads. Modern pads and housing tend to be a great equalizers when it comes to C&V brake performance. When it comes to these old centre-pull, I also find that rider preference has as much to do with lever ergonomics as actual brake performance. You really should do extended tests with both, to decide which is your preference. |
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
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Are you looking at specific MAFAC and Zeus models? Functionally, they'll all work to stop your bike. Depending on the specific model, Zeus tend to have a better finish. Zeus also tend to be shorter reach than MAFAC. But really, we need to know models to be more specific.
Zeus 2000 or super alfa71 Mafac with short reach caliper arms some Mafac are adjustable both work with Campy delta levers? Gran compe 450 is also good option ? |
I like the Super Alfa 71, but just switched over from a Zeus sidepull and don’t have many miles with these as yet.
edit: Never had a prob with MAFAC either. The bad pic doesn't show the bit 'o color on the Alfa's. edit for better pics https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...220b33938.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb0884785.jpeg |
Many thank,s guys, but if you have 3 brakes on the table , you can leave the shop with only 1 in the bag , witch one ?
Zeus super alfa 71 Gran compe 450 Mafac competition ( if this one is short reach ) Also what is the diference between these two: Zeus 2000 vs Super alfa 71 ? I think the 2000 is the latest versions. |
MAFAC brake reach numbers I've found online. From my own experience: yes, the Competitions have a shorter minimum reach than the Racers. I have had to find me Competitions in the past, as the Racers I had wouldn't fit my Gitane TdF forks.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6b52044f44.jpg |
Originally Posted by brooklyn6640
(Post 21216725)
Many thank,s guys, but if you have 3 brakes on the table , you can leave the shop with only 1 in the bag , witch one ?
Zeus super alfa 71 Gran compe 450 Mafac competition ( if this one is short reach ) Also what is the diference between these two: Zeus 2000 vs Super alfa 71 ? I think the 2000 is the latest versions. I'm also running MAFAC Competition on a Follis. The stopping power is probably more related to pads, so I would budget for new rubber and choose the one that matches the levers, or best fits on the bike. What bike is it going on, or did I miss that bit? |
Originally Posted by Wildwood
(Post 21216744)
I'm also running MAFAC Competition on a Follis.
The stopping power is probably more related to pads, so I would budget for new rubber and choose the one that matches the levers, or best fits on the bike. What bike is it going on, or did I miss that bit? |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
(Post 21216736)
MAFAC brake reach numbers I've found online. From my own experience: yes, the Competitions have a shorter minimum reach than the Racers. I have had to find me Competitions in the past, as the Racers I had wouldn't fit my Gitane TdF forks.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6b52044f44.jpg |
Originally Posted by brooklyn6640
(Post 21216296)
The Mafac are from France the Zeus from Spain, what do you think about both, for road bike with center mount ?reach near 50mm front.
Thank,s MAFAC in short reach are pretty damn rare, but they do exist, as shown in that useful chart posted by non-fixie. Zeus 2000 brakes, while less common in general, were quite often seen in short reach, at least IME. I don't have the numbers for them. In a way, Gran Compe GC450 brakes might be most ideal. They have a MAFAC like pad adjustment, and 40-52 reach. |
Originally Posted by brooklyn6640
(Post 21216766)
I know this. hard to find the 2000 short reach, the same for competition.
BTW, and FWIW, when I rebuilt my own early seventies TdF many years ago I didn't have MAFAC's or other center-pull calipers that would fit, so I used Weinmann 605 side-pulls as placeholders. They're still there. :) https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3829465ef4.jpg |
Originally Posted by non-fixie
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Top Tip: look for old rusty Gitanes in the classifieds. The Tour de France models (or Racing Team, as they were called in Europe - from 1974 anyway) had very short fork blades, which meant that only a short reach brake would fit. The odds are pretty good that if you find one, you've got your brakes.
BTW, and FWIW, when I rebuilt my own early seventies TdF many years ago I didn't have MAFAC's or other center-pull calipers that would fit, so I used Weinmann 605 side-pulls as placeholders. They're still there. :) https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3829465ef4.jpg |
With the modern look, Italian flair, pretty in black = Modolo, with many black caliper offerings. If you MUST change.
I might like the bike more than I already do - with a nice driveside side pic (full bike), But given the existing choices, then Zeus for your Espana, or Basque-ness (as Zeus), or Catalan-ian. Always root for the home team - proudly! |
I happen to like MAFAC Racer brakes a lot, but I started working on bikes in the 1970s, so I'm used to all the quirks. I now volunteer at a bike coop, and people there have less experience than I do. One person mentioned what a huge pain it was to adjust Weinmann center-pull brakes. Ha, I bet he wouldn't enjoy setting up some MAFACs.
MAFAC levers are nice and tough, but they're not so comfortable, so you may want to pair the calipers with something else. Long ago, a friend had a Zeus bike with Zeus 2000 center-pull brakes. They're gorgeous. We never figured out why the brakes didn't stop very well. They were set up right. We changed the pads to Mathauser (Kool Stop predecessor), and even that didn't help. But others find that they work fine, so I don't know. |
Also I have these Campy , tried last year with the original pads , I say 60% of the power of the record TI Campy, maybe with koolstop new pads the score goes up.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f3042add6.jpeg |
Originally Posted by brooklyn6640
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Also I have these Campy , tried last year with the original pads , I say 60% of the power of the record TI Campy, maybe with koolstop new pads the score goes up.
Those are effectively the same as regular Campy NR/SR. If they are the original pads undoubtedly they are dried up by now. You might like them better with new pads. Personally I think salmon pads ruin Campy SR/NR sidepulls. They lose the fine control, which is kind of the point of those brakes. FWIW, the official campy black pads are still available new. Any center pull is going to feel more familiar if you are used to modern dual pivot brakes. Sidepulls require more hand force, but ultimately they will stop you just as fast. Set up does make a difference. |
Originally Posted by brooklyn6640
(Post 21216725)
Many thank,s guys, but if you have 3 brakes on the table , you can leave the shop with only 1 in the bag , witch one ?
Zeus super alfa 71 Gran compe 450 Mafac competition ( if this one is short reach ) Also what is the diference between these two: Zeus 2000 vs Super alfa 71 ? I think the 2000 is the latest versions. http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/zeus-2000-calipers.jpg |
If still in the running,
here is the MAFAC Competition in short reach config pads bottom out on 700c wheel, but on a touring bike with clearance for 32/33mm cyclocross tires. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2b0eb4835.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b311085ef.jpeg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9667eb81f.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cc2a3dfcd.jpeg Hey - trade ya even for those Campy ones above, if you want the Competitions! :D |
Originally Posted by Wildwood
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With the modern look, Italian flair, pretty in black = Modolo, with many black caliper offerings. If you MUST change.
I might like the bike more than I already do - with a nice driveside side pic (full bike), But given the existing choices, then Zeus for your Espana, or Basque-ness (as Zeus), or Catalan-ian. Always root for the home team - proudly! https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ae9b5a865e.jpg |
Originally Posted by johndthompson
(Post 21217046)
gran compe 450, ftw. I also like the zeus 2000, but they've been out of production for three decades and may be hard to find, and expensive if you do find them. The salient difference between the zeus 2000 and super alfa is the finish is much better on the 2000:
[img]http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/zeus-2000-calipers.jpg |
Originally Posted by Salamandrine
(Post 21217011)
Those are effectively the same as regular Campy NR/SR. If they are the original pads undoubtedly they are dried up by now. You might like them better with new pads. Personally I think salmon pads ruin Campy SR/NR sidepulls. They lose the fine control, which is kind of the point of those brakes. FWIW, the official campy black pads are still available new.
Any center pull is going to feel more familiar if you are used to modern dual pivot brakes. Sidepulls require more hand force, but ultimately they will stop you just as fast. Set up does make a difference. Personally I think salmon pads ruin Campy SR/NR sidepulls. They lose the fine control, which is kind of the point of those brakes. FWIW, |
Originally Posted by brooklyn6640
(Post 21217388)
ftw ????'
For The Win (i assume) Thanks for the pic. Most excellent. Personally, I would find a 'more vintage' frame for a pair of centerpull brakes and leave the Tommasini as pictured. Ride On! :) |
Originally Posted by Wildwood
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For The Win
(i assume) Thanks for the pic. Most excellent. Personally, I would find a 'more vintage' frame for a pair of centerpull brakes and leave the Tommasini as pictured. Ride On! :) Steel frame tecno TOMMASINI bikes |
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