Are you limited by your gut?
The Key to Max Human Endurance Might Actually Be in Your Guthttps://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/key-...182300350.html |
Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81
(Post 21077166)
The Key to Max Human Endurance Might Actually Be in Your Guthttps://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/key-...182300350.html |
Wow, a new study confirming what has been known for millennia. Thanks for the click-bait...
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The story within a story of the article from the OP is the importance and impact one's metabolic function has on an individual's health and weight.
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Originally Posted by BengalCat
(Post 21077227)
The story within a story of the article from the OP is the importance and impact one's metabolic function has on an individual's health and weight.
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Ahhh... but there have also been studies that one's performance may literally be tied to what is in one's gut.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...nners-a-boost/ https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...ce-enhancement |
Reading the title of this thread, I wondered if it meant being able to fit behind the stem of your handlebars...
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So, your gut will yell at you?
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Wait, there's a limit to how many long fast ride days a person can do in a row? Who knew?
I guess the mystery of why TdF riders focus so much strategy on conserving energy has been solved. I just thought it was to keep the grocery bills down. |
You guys who are pretending to have already known this.. didn't - because studies like this are quite new. People may have "guessed" at what the upper limits were but this is actually putting data into place. The prior default was to stuff as much food in as you could manage in hopes it would meet the fuel needs.
It doesn't effect one off efforts as you can always dip into body reserves short term. It is useful when planning long term expedition/endurance events. From the data one can plan a daily exertion level and diet that does not exceed the upper limit and (other considerations like injury notwithstanding) be able to sustain that effort. Where this really would pay off is in circumstances where hauling or caching food had a finite cost in terms of weight/effort/difficulty. Or so the study says. It's a good baseline if the results are confirmed. |
Originally Posted by Happy Feet
(Post 21078488)
You guys who are pretending to have already known this.. didn't - because studies like this are quite new. People may have "guessed" at what the upper limits were but this is actually putting data into place. The prior default was to stuff as much food in as you could manage in hopes it would meet the fuel needs.
It doesn't effect one off efforts as you can always dip into body reserves short term. It is useful when planning long term expedition/endurance events. From the data one can plan a daily exertion level and diet that does not exceed the upper limit and (other considerations like injury notwithstanding) be able to sustain that effort. Where this really would pay off is in circumstances where hauling or caching food had a finite cost in terms of weight/effort/difficulty. Or so the study says. It's a good baseline if the results are confirmed. |
Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 21078509)
So, it's quantifying what was already known. ;)
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For those who already knew it, good for you. The article could be new for the rest of us.
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Of course I'm limited by my gut. It's no fun cycling hungry, thus justifying a beer ( or beers) and a bite. ^^
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
(Post 21078051)
Reading the title of this thread, I wondered if it meant being able to fit behind the stem of your handlebars...
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 21078509)
So, it's quantifying what was already known. ;)
Ben |
Would be curious what those professionals who work for the TdF teams think about such research into nutrition. Waste of time? Know it all already? Can't teach me anything new?
Somehow I doubt it. A good historical application of this study would have been the Terra Nova Scott Expedition to the South Pole in 1910. They laid food caches but (among other things) miscalculated the energy expenditure of man hauling and deteriorated/starved enroute to base. A future example will be predicting food requirements for multi year manned space flights to Mars. |
Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 21078509)
So, it's quantifying what was already known. ;)
Thanks to members who provided links to studies. |
Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81
(Post 21079022)
The article was to inform readers who did not know the relationship between energy expenditure and calorie intake. If everybody in this forum knew everything already, what is the point of having any bike discussions? There would be no discussions because they are already experts.
Look, I'm not saying we try to keep these particular facts a secret. I just hate the recent trend toward click-bait articles that attempt to package common knowledge as some kind of breakthrough. That's all. |
Did you even read the article.
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Originally Posted by Happy Feet
(Post 21079166)
Did you even read the article.
Fueling is extremely important to keep you going through any endurance event—according to the American College of Sports Medicine, you should consume 30 to 60 grams of carbohydrates per hour of exercise if you’re exercising for longer than an hour. Additionally, consuming electrolytes such as sodium should also be consumed if you’re exercising for longer than an hour. Because of this, there comes a point where it’s impossible for humans break records, because they can’t absorb enough nutrients to fuel their bodies after a certain point—and as we all know, if you don’t get the fuel you need, your performance could take a nosedive. Holy ****, stop the presses. Next up: water is even wetter than we thought! :lol: |
Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 21079227)
Who, me? Yes.
Yes, how much you burn per hour has been known, yes hourly absorption rates are also known; but what was not known until now was the upper limit of daily caloric intake possible (which have now been defined at 2.5x basal metabolic rate according to the study). From that point people engaging in long term endurance activities can more accurately generate meaningful plans for energy output that maximizes effort while maintaining physical strength. Guessing at the burn/uptake rate means one can either over consume calories for no benefit (but at a cost in hauling or caching) or more importantly, not consume enough calories and waste muscle tissue to compensate. Short term that may not matter but, as alluded to in the Scott reference, long term it could mean deteriorating to the point of failure. It also means you can calculate the estimated energy output you should strive for during long term activities (2.5 BMR). Beyond that figure you cannot fuel your output and will waste muscle as a result. To stay healthy you would need to remain within that output zone. Why argue against or mock research this way? It's just an article that points to a scientific study. Are you suggesting those researchers wasted their time studying something you already knew? From a logistics POV, if it bears up, I find it an important component in high intensity, long term expedition/endurance planning. Roughly speaking, if one uses a mean BMR of 1500kcal/day (from a study in Scotland), it means one would shoot for 3750cal effort output/day max and then stop for recovery while also provisioning the same amount of calories. Extended into a 90 day effort (for example) that would mean an estimated need to account for 337,500 worth of calories from food. It also allows one to guesstimate time needed: If you know you cover 50 miles (for example) / 3750 kcal and you have a 1000mile journey you can expect to take and provision for a 20 day effort without deterioration. |
Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 21079227)
Who, me? Yes.
Holy ****, stop the presses. Next up: water is even wetter than we thought! :lol: |
Originally Posted by Happy Feet
(Post 21079259)
You have quoted the most generic material from a source not even involved in the study and ignore the actual findings being discussed.
Yes, how much you burn per hour has been known, yes hourly absorption rates are also known; but what was not known until now was the upper limit of daily caloric intake possible (which have now been defined at 2.5x basal metabolic rate according to the study). From that point people engaging in long term endurance activities can more accurately generate meaningful plans for energy output that maximizes effort while maintaining physical strength. Guessing at the burn/uptake rate means one can either over consume calories for no benefit (but at a cost in hauling or caching) or more importantly, not consume enough calories and waste muscle tissue to compensate. Short term that may not matter but, as alluded to in the Scott reference, long term it could mean deteriorating to the point of failure. It also means you can calculate the estimated energy output you should strive for during long term activities (2.5 BMR). Beyond that figure you cannot fuel your output and will waste muscle as a result. To stay healthy you would need to remain within that output zone. Why argue against or mock research this way? It's just an article that points to a scientific study. Are you suggesting those researchers wasted their time studying something you already knew? From a logistics POV, if it bears up, I find it an important component in high intensity, long term expedition/endurance planning. |
Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81
(Post 21079264)
I understand your frustration with topics that are rehash and seems obvious. For example the statement "drink water or you will die." It is obvious the statement is true. The discussion should then be how much water? The questions will be what size glass? Does body mass matter? What if you very active? One cannot give a general statement such as 8 glasses a day because people are not all the same. That is when studies with numbers (quantification) is important.
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