200+ mile tours completely off road?
Want to do a tour with two tweens. Both can ride 40+ miles a day and have for years easily.
But I do not want them on the roads. Bikes can handle 32mm tires so a bit of gravel is ok. Suggestions? Bonus if its driving distance from NoCA! |
My suggestion would be two-fold:
1. Look at some of the longer rail trails - https://www.railstotrails.org/our-wo...e-trail-stats/ 2. Consider more remote gravel roads in the deserts, e.g. Joshua tree. You might need to go wider than those 32mm tires and be prepared to carry more (or use support vehicle). |
There was a recent topic:
https://www.bikeforums.net/general-c...ike-paths.html If you can find a 100 mile course one-way, then it becomes a 200 mile course out and back. The Katy Trail is fine packed limestone, and can be done on just about anything from a pure road bike to a MTB. The John Wayne Trail and Columbia Trail in Washington are much rougher, and would require at least a MTB. Does your route have to be entirely off road? We have quite a few back country logging roads that get relatively low traffic, although they can also have some crazy drivers. The McKenzie Pass is typically closed until June, I think. It is only about 30 miles from Sisters to McKenzie Bridge, I think. Riding to/from Springfield, it should be closer to a Century ride. I've found a route that takes one about 70% on back roads, and 30% on main roads. The Aufderheide is a beautiful low-traffic road that would be an alternate approach to the McKenzie Pass. And, if you include gravel, back roads from at least Lowell to Sisters (in the late spring). |
C&O and GAP between DC and Pittsburgh is 335 miles off-road and fairly flat, unless you consider the RR grade of the GAP and locks on the C&O climbing/descending.
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Originally Posted by alan s
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and locks on the C&O climbing/descending.
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There is an immense network of trails from Sanra Cruz up thru the bay and into Santa Rosa.
It would be a blast to connect trails together with campsites. There would be some roads along the way though to connect trail to trail. I have a 12 and 9 yo, totally get the hesitation to ride roads. Washington has a few really long rail to trail segments, but parts may be too difficult for kids with 32s. No idea the perseverance as that's really important. |
212 miles. gravel. just signed up. Bit of a drive from ca. though. :)
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31456...CZszvFpzZZLw9Y |
Originally Posted by dualresponse
(Post 21270257)
212 miles. gravel. just signed up. Bit of a drive from ca. though. :)
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31456...CZszvFpzZZLw9Y |
Originally Posted by alan s
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And 18,000 feet of climbing
It's the last 90 feet that get you~ :lol: |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 21269946)
There was a recent topic:
The Katy Trail is fine packed limestone, and can be done on just about anything from a pure road bike to a MTB. If you'd like to do a supported tour in June, there's this one: https://mostateparks.com/2020ktride |
Mickelson Trail "out and back."
Deadwood to Hill City. Hill City to Custer (Short day on the trail, but you could add miles on the spur out to Stockade Lake or take the tourist train to Keystone and possibly visit Mt. Rushmore). Custer to Edgemont. Reverse. |
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Originally Posted by fishboat
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With that said, if the OP is flexible and willing to add some light traffic roads, I think it's a great option. The Hiawatha and the right of way between Pearson and Avery, with it's many tunnels and trestles, is a great ride. |
These are all great options. Some on road riding with light traffic is fine, just not more than 10-15%.
Are there any closer to San Francisco? I prefer not to fly and instead invest the money in upgrading their bikes, maybe even buy new bikes. Thanks again. |
It might not be completely off-road, but the Lost Coast might be an interesting challenge.
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One other thought, do a hub and spoke tour. Set up a a base camp with a car. Do day trips out and back.
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You could ride on the sidewalks in San Francisco if it weren’t for the homeless encampments, so that’s out. Other than that, you could ride south to Pigeon Point Lighthouse on the roads. My recollection is the traffic wasn’t that bad, or I would’ve remembered it better.
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Northern Idaho - kinda driving distance.
Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes - paved, excellent for inexperienced riders. Then Trail of the Hiawathas - packed gravel - to make a loop. |
Originally Posted by jamawani
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Northern Idaho - kinda driving distance.
Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes - paved, excellent for inexperienced riders. Then Trail of the Hiawathas - packed gravel - to make a loop. |
Originally Posted by indyfabz
(Post 21272324)
I was going to suggest that, but it's not entirely off road....From St. Marie to Plummer you are on ID-3.
With that said, if the OP is flexible and willing to add some light traffic roads, I think it's a great option. The Hiawatha and the right of way between Pearson and Avery, with it's many tunnels and trestles, is a great ride. OP, here's a link to a young family that did the ride. From my research(a year ago), the only portion that REALLY isn't suggested for biking is the St. Marie to Plummer segment, ID 5 I think. The family in the link below got a shuttle to cover that part. https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/...id=554537&v=5f |
The Oregon Outback is an Amtrak train ride away from Nor Cal. At the end you may need to ride roads to get into Portland. There might be a bus to get you to the Portland Amtrak.
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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster
(Post 21269651)
Bikes can handle 32mm tires so a bit of gravel is ok.
If the ground you are going to ride is "hard" (actually hard and if it rains you aren't victim to dirt going soft) then you can get by. It just would not be my choice. If I were riding like that routinely I'd have something in the 51mm/2" wide range. It will make for a smoother ride, also, with more sidewall to absorb the terrain. |
Here is a map with many gravel roads around the country. Just link them up in the area you want to ride. Surprisingly quite a few roads.
https://gravelmap.com/#@39.048504793...2268,9,roadmap |
Mr used to be (funny name btw and so true for most of us), as a parent who has done stuff with kids and who has ridden in trails and whatnot, do keep in mind how gravel riding generally will be slower and more tiring (bumpy, having to watch surface etc) than what we are used to on pavement.
So do keep this in mind and be more conservative for distances and time, and don't forget to carry more food\snacks and water if unsure of distances between towns or whatever. And with gravel etc, chances are more of a little tumble and scrapes, so a basic first aid kit to at least clean and cover up a bo-bo is always good to have. Have fun planning and hope this works out. And yes, watch for overly high tire pressures that are fine on pavement, lower will be more comfortable and more sure footed. |
Originally Posted by balto charlie
(Post 21275266)
Here is a map with many gravel roads around the country. Just link them up in the area you want to ride. Surprisingly quite a few roads.
https://gravelmap.com/#@39.048504793...2268,9,roadmap Iowa alone has over 70,000 miles of gravel roads. And we are hardly a large state in geographic size. |
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