Gravel lessons learned last weekend
Had a blast Fox Ridge Filth Ride last weekend South of Cedar Falls Iowa.
Lots of fun on varied terreign but none of it flat or paved. Went over the handlebars once when I rode into a sandbox. lessons learned this ride: 1) wear shoes, not sandals for gravel events. My Big toe lost some flesh during a unplanned flip over the handlebars when said toe clipped my pedal cleat. 2) bigger, fatter tires are always needed. I had WTB 42 Resolute front and 44mm Byways back (Tubeless, 35-40psi). These were marginally OK for dry conditions. Wet conditions would have needed 2-inch minimum. I'd want clearance for 3-inch if needed. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...355337b8ea.png https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...db8ce74a18.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3936ed2d89.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8b507bd6de.jpg |
Sorry about your toe. I have driven some on Iowa gravel, never ridden there. Do you think the sand was from the way they built the road?
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So back to lesson learned #2 . Bigger tires, gonna require a bigger bike (clearance for wheels/tires). I do have a Fatbike with a 2.2" wheelset, but that Al Motobecane frame is a DOG with a heavy fork that's like a boat anchor. The Fat Bike's Aluminum frame feels so dead also.
I'm thinking a new bike with a sweet spot between my Jamis Renegade (~46 mm max tire width) and the Fatbike is what I need for more versatile gravel riding. Yes, I am aware we always need N+1 bikes! Want clearance up to 3" tires. What bike frame to look at? 6'4 I'm a 270# Clydesdale ;) I've been eyeballing the Surly Krampus rigid frame. Talked to another guy riding one single speed that day. He had to be beat riding single speed on all those hills. |
Originally Posted by unterhausen
(Post 21623039)
Sorry about your toe. I have driven some on Iowa gravel, never ridden there. Do you think the sand was from the way they built the road?
To clarify, this sand is not normal or typical of Iowa gravel. |
Found a good article relative to my interests:
https://bikepacking.com/gear/29-tire...DLCRDmsmqJIY0M I read on Bikepacking.com a lot and they have other good articles on hardtail 29" bikes, I need to go back and re-read some. Surly has a couple models I like. |
Sandals?? The thought would never even enter my mind, but then again, I use SPD pedals.
Sand can be tough, I've had it yank my front wheel a few times and scare the crap out of me, but thankfully was able to stay upright. If you need that much tire, sounds like you need a mtb, most gravel bikes top out at 47-50mm. |
Originally Posted by Rides4Beer
(Post 21623058)
Sandals?? The thought would never even enter my mind, but then again, I use SPD pedals.
If you need that much tire, sounds like you need a mtb, most gravel bikes top out at 47-50mm. Shimano and others(?) offer spd sandals. I have thought about getting some, but I'm not sure about using them for gravel. Socks recommended in most cases. |
I'm trying to imagine riding in a place without sand. As a Southern Californian, it seems impossible. Here, we have sand, sand with rocks in it, sand with clay in it, and most commonly, sand with sand in it.
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I feel like a shill because I’m always promoting this bike, but it might fit the bill for you:
https://www.rei.com/product/122463/c...es-adv-31-bike I have one and love it. I can go up to 2.35 in the front and 2.4 in the back. I ride it in the road, dirt, and single track. (Using different tires of course) |
Originally Posted by Rides4Beer
(Post 21623058)
Sandals?? The thought would never even enter my mind, but then again, I use SPD pedals.
Sand can be tough, I've had it yank my front wheel a few times and scare the crap out of me, but thankfully was able to stay upright. If you need that much tire, sounds like you need a mtb, most gravel bikes top out at 47-50mm. My sandals are leftovers from my spd pedal days because I like the stiff soles and breathability. I removed the Spd clip and inserted a plug. They cover my toes 90% but my big toe poked out just enough.... Feet get HOT during summer rides LOVE the ventilation sandals provide. I'll only use them for casual and road rides now I think. |
Originally Posted by walnutz
(Post 21623130)
I feel like a shill because I’m always promoting this bike, but it might fit the bill for you:
https://www.rei.com/product/122463/c...es-adv-31-bike I have one and love it. I can go up to 2.35 in the front and 2.4 in the back. I ride it in the road, dirt, and single track. (Using different tires of course) I have bar end shifters on my first gravel build. Had em on hand already and I wanted to keep costs down to see if I even liked riding gravel. i liked them more on gravel than pavement because I'm in the dtops more often on gravel, so my hands were more frequently already right near the shifters. That is a good option for the OP's required tire clearance. |
Originally Posted by DrIsotope
(Post 21623103)
I'm trying to imagine riding in a place without sand. As a Southern Californian, it seems impossible. Here, we have sand, sand with rocks in it, sand with clay in it, and most commonly, sand with sand in it.
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer
(Post 21623058)
Sandals?? The thought would never even enter my mind, but then again, I use SPD pedals.
Sand can be tough, I've had it yank my front wheel a few times and scare the crap out of me, but thankfully was able to stay upright. If you need that much tire, sounds like you need a mtb, most gravel bikes top out at 47-50mm. |
I use resolute tires that measure out to 43mm on my bike. Wider would be great for washboard sections, but besides that I would rsther have the lighter weight and lower rolling resistance when compared to wider tires.
Everyone's point at which they say 'enough' varies from person to person though. I'm always amazed at people flying by me on fatbikes. The amount of power it would take to ride that fast would kill me. I'd be a couple mph slower than I already am if I rode one! |
Originally Posted by DrIsotope
(Post 21623103)
I'm trying to imagine riding in a place without sand. As a Southern Californian, it seems impossible. Here, we have sand, sand with rocks in it, sand with clay in it, and most commonly, sand with sand in it.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 21623173)
I use resolute tires that measure out to 43mm on my bike. Wider would be great for washboard sections, but besides that I would rsther have the lighter weight and lower rolling resistance when compared to wider tires.
Everyone's point at which they say 'enough' varies from person to person though. I'm always amazed at people flying by me on fatbikes. The amount of power it would take to ride that fast would kill me. I'd be a couple mph slower than I already am if I rode one! |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 21623152)
It took me some time to figure out why I dislike that bike so much, and to be clear here- it isnt that I even dislike the bike. I dislike the size bike they chose to use. Its on the small side of things and therefore looks wonky. It'd be the same if my big bikes were used for pics- it'd look wonky.
I have bar end shifters on my first gravel build. Had em on hand already and I wanted to keep costs down to see if I even liked riding gravel. i liked them more on gravel than pavement because I'm in the dtops more often on gravel, so my hands were more frequently already right near the shifters. That is a good option for the OP's required tire clearance. |
Looks flat to me
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Originally Posted by trailangel
(Post 21623585)
Looks flat to me
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...aee438ce0f.gif |
No thread is complete without the IF YOU AIN'T CLIMBIN' YOU AIN'T RIDIN' guy. Evokes the same response from me here that it always does... <extended fart sound>
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Originally Posted by Toadmeister
(Post 21623184)
I know EXACTLY what you mean. I got a bike that is slightly under-gunned and a fat bike that is over-gunned. Trying to find that sweet spot.
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Originally Posted by trailangel
(Post 21623585)
Looks flat to me
Did you have a point you were trying to make? |
Originally Posted by shoota
(Post 21623819)
Salsa Fargo or Cutthroat. I can tell from the amount of things on your bike that you're a Fargo kind of guy.
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Wow, is every intersection 90 degrees there!
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Originally Posted by dwmckee
(Post 21624098)
Wow, is every intersection 90 degrees there!
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