Sprinting on tubeless
The Enve 3.4 AR Disc wheels look very tempting; smoother ride and faster. One question I have is about how lower pressure wheels perform when sprinting. I don’t want any softness or spring in my wheels when sprinting. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has ridden tubeless and can report their experience.
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I’m 190 lbs and run 28c GP5k’s at 75 psi on a 21mm wide (internal) rim. I feel no “spring” when I sprint. I think the wider rim bed helps with that substantially.
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I have the Zipp 303S - 23mm int, hookless - with 28mm Pro One Addix @+/-60psi. I guess that I can't say that you'll feel zero spring, but I can say that nothing sketchy or untoward has called attention to itself. A quick search says you'd have another 20psi to play with on the Enve, which seems to have a max of 80psi (Zipp states a max recommended in the low 70s for my 303S, but I haven't felt the need). I'm at 185-ish lbs and can put a fair amount of torque on the pedals.
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4.5 ARs at 65 to 70 psi, sprinting feels like it did on tubes.
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I've been running tubulars at around 70psi, and get some squish- mostly noticeable with out-of-saddle climbing.
Figure it's a worthwhile trade off overall. If you don't like what you get, a few more pump strokes will fix it. |
For $3000, carbon wheels should come with di2 pressure control systems. Dial in some pressure in the rear tire when climbing, both if sprinting.
I will say that the “squish” matters a LOT less on race tires than reinforced tires. It’s enough to subtly alter your form with the latter - not good. FWIW despite believing all the claims of softer is faster, I pump my tires a bit harder than normal for races or spirited rides. Wider tires will not stop you from running them hard. You’ll just be carrying a small amount of extra rotational weight that isn’t helping you besides maybe providing grip. |
You've got to get down below 30psi before it gets sketchy. At 40psi it can be bouncy - like when you take your MTB/CX/Gravel bike out for the first time after being on the trainer. It's really no big deal on a road bike at 60psi.
At lower PSI, you do have more sidewall travel though. This is good and bad. When you lose traction on 23c/100psi because you're over the bar giving it the business, the rear will hop as it unloads, skip, |
Running 25mm Schwalbes at 85-90 psi; I'm around 175lbs. My sprints are in club rides - the typical county line type of sprint. But back in the tubed 23mm 110 psi days, I had issues controlling the side-to-side skipping around. I was glad to see the above video - because I always attributed it to bad form. I still think it's bad form, but it's nice to see a pro do it. My max 3 second power is 1440 watts - so, far from pro stuff.
On the 25mm tubeless, I never feel any squish or squirm and I don't get as much skipping around. |
Originally Posted by jfranci3
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That's on the Champs Elysee, and specifically on the right side of the Champs Elysee, which is well known for being exceptionally bumpy and not a very good line. He took a risk going that way and it didn't pay off. I don't think there's much he could have done with tire pressure to alleviate that particular part of the road when you're going 38+. |
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