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lcdel 11-19-20 12:35 AM

2004 Lemond Zurich for a first road bike?
 
I'm looking online at used bikes for my first road bike purchase and found a great-looking condition 2004 Lemond Zurich for $625. I want something relatively comfortable (don't want to hate taking it on long rides), can handle hills, and is zippy/fun. Thoughts on if this is the right bike for me and a decent deal?

I'm also a little confused about the fit as I'm a 5'6 F and have ridden 54cm bikes, but the seller listed this bike as 54cm for 5'9 and up.

Thanks!

delbiker1 11-19-20 03:57 AM

http://www.vintage-trek.com/Trek-Fis...nualLemond.pdf

Look at the Zurich geometry in the manual from the above link. Lemonds generally have a longer top tube and the fit is considered on the large side. The sizing on this model is listed as 51cm and 53cm, not 54. At 5'6", depending on your body dimensions, the 54 might be a bit big for you, but doable. Is the seller close enough for you to go and visually check out the bike, or someone you know close enough? Those frames and forks are really nice and, it it fits you, quite comfortable. Buying a bike unseen and without a test ride is always a bit of a gamble. You almost always have to put some money into one to fix or change out components/parts. If you can do that yourself, the cost is minimized.

lcdel 11-19-20 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by delbiker1 (Post 21796818)
http://www.vintage-trek.com/Trek-Fis...nualLemond.pdf

Look at the Zurich geometry in the manual from the above link. Lemonds generally have a longer top tube and the fit is considered on the large side. The sizing on this model is listed as 51cm and 53cm, not 54. At 5'6", depending on your body dimensions, the 54 might be a bit big for you, but doable. Is the seller close enough for you to go and visually check out the bike, or someone you know close enough? Those frames and forks are really nice and, it it fits you, quite comfortable. Buying a bike unseen and without a test ride is always a bit of a gamble. You almost always have to put some money into one to fix or change out components/parts. If you can do that yourself, the cost is minimized.

Thanks, a big fit makes more sense why theyíd have the height listed as taller. I can go check it out (itís a local seller), just a bit nervous that if itís subtly too big for me I might not be able to tell since Iím pretty inexperienced.

Koyote 11-19-20 06:55 AM

Youíve gotten good advice on the fit. My only additional comment is that $625 seems very high for that bike. Used bikes depreciate very rapidly. Unless it is in absolutely pristine condition and/or has some significant upgrades, it should be lower than that.

fishboat 11-19-20 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by lcdel (Post 21796832)
Thanks, a big fit makes more sense why they’d have the height listed as taller. I can go check it out (it’s a local seller), just a bit nervous that if it’s subtly too big for me I might not be able to tell since I’m pretty inexperienced.

It would be a fine first road bike(or second, third, or fourth) and one that's a long-term keeper (if it fits) even if you pick up other bikes at some point. If it fits, it should be a comfortable ride over longer miles. Your seller's asking price is in the ballpark if the bike is in very good condition. I always offer less and see where it goes.

The convention/rule of thumb for frames at the time & previous was that a 53cm frame would have a 53cm (effective or actual if non-sloped) top tube. Lemond, in this case, made frames at 55cm and less with top tubes 1.5cm longer. The 53cm had a eff top tube of 54.5cm. I typically ride a 56cm frame. In a Lemond I ride a 55cm frame with a eff top tube of 56.5cm.

The '04 looks to be a spine bike (steel/carbon frame). MSRP at the time was $2450 ($3300 in today's dollars). You'd be getting a lot of bike for $600ish.

As far as checking it out pre-purchase. With a spine bike you'd need to look at it from both a steel and carbon bike perspective..you may want to research that a bit. If I ran across a spine Lemond in the right condition at the right price I wouldn't hesitate in buying it if it checked out OK. Fun bike.

edit.. a thought on sizing. If you ride it and find yourself reaching/stretching to ride on the brake hoods(your arms will be straight-locked at the elbows..not desireable), then it's large for you. This can be adjusted somewhat by getting a shorter stem and/or shorter-reach handlebars. If you swap out either..save them to keep the bike original if need be.

ericcox 11-19-20 10:26 AM

I am curious about the price. I have 2007 Orbea that was in a similar price range and is in very good shape (I've been riding it this week as my other bike is out of commission). I'd be thrilled if someone paid me that much for it. I would definitely offer less and see if they take it if the bike fits.

downhillmaster 11-19-20 02:32 PM

If it is in good to very good condition $625 is a great price.

ooga-booga 11-20-20 02:36 AM

you could do a lot worse but it depends. i'm assuming it's a full bike-including wheels. i think the original release had shimano ultegra
components which tend to last. still rocking 2002 shimano ultegra components on a bike of mine with zero issues.
if it was just the frame (and a bottom bracket), i'd pass. without seeing pics/listing, it's all generalizations but if it's the original
bike with all the og components and paint is in decent shape, it would be a great deal for you if it fits sizewise. if you've got to force the fit
and it's (semi-) uncomfortably, it's not worth it.

that said...going price for a lemond zurich-frame only-from the late 90's to very early this century (before your potential buy) is
consistently in the $450 range in very good condition.

bruce19 11-20-20 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by lcdel (Post 21796746)
I'm looking online at used bikes for my first road bike purchase and found a great-looking condition 2004 Lemond Zurich for $625. I want something relatively comfortable (don't want to hate taking it on long rides), can handle hills, and is zippy/fun. Thoughts on if this is the right bike for me and a decent deal?

I'm also a little confused about the fit as I'm a 5'6 F and have ridden 54cm bikes, but the seller listed this bike as 54cm for 5'9 and up.

Thanks!

People need to stop using height as a determinant for frame size. If you are 6' tall with a 34" inseam your frame size is going to be different from some one 6' with a 30" inseam. Having said that, it is also true that we can ride a range of sizes. In my case (32.5" inseam and 5'9") that is generally 54-56 frame. Although a 55 with 55 TT is perfect.

joesch 11-20-20 06:54 AM

Reads like a very good choice.
Lemond made great frames and 853 is a very nice steel.
For the same price and smaller 51cm, check out this offering on ebay

Lemond Zurich Road Bike Reynolds 853 Pro, Shimano Ultegra, Rolf, Michelin, 51cm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lemond-Zuri...oAAOSwtkNfrr84

Koyote 11-20-20 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by downhillmaster (Post 21797560)
If it is in good to very good condition $625 is a great price.

According to Bicycle Blue Book, that bike (in good-vg condition) is worth $350-$396 in a private party sale.

fishboat 11-20-20 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 21798278)
According to Bicycle Blue Book, that bike (in good-vg condition) is worth $350-$396 in a private party sale.

BBB is reliably low on most bikes, relative to their actual asking/selling price. My ongoing hope with any bike I'm interested in is that the owner is using BBB as their pricing guide. There's a number of threads here on BF discussing the accuracy of BBB. It appears the BBB algorithm assumes all bikes are equal...which isn't true. I just looked up the BBB estimate on a Bridgestone MB-1, 1994(highly sought after bike). It estimates $275. Unless it was in tragically sad condition, I doubt we'll see any MB-1's at priced at $275. I usually see them at $500-$1000(asking).

With respect to Lemonds.. I keep pretty close tabs on CL Lemonds (daily, usually) over WI, MN, IL, IN, IA, & MI and have for several years now. (Morning routine with coffee..some folks read the paper..) I also keep reasonably close tabs on ebay sales..sellers are most often VERY optimistic in pricing, and the (lack of) completed sales indicate this. Ebay pricing has to be high given the fees they charge.

$625 for a spine Zurich, in very good condition cosmetically (I'd expect near new condition) with a sound frame and perfect condition mechanically (fairly common...there's so many bikes out there that have seen minimal miles) is a bit high, but I doubt it would ever go for less than $500, unless the seller hasn't got a clue..which is something we all hope for.. I'd think $550 may be a lowest price an informed seller would go. If he/she doesn't mind waiting too long..they'll probably get $600ish.

Of course, asking/selling prices are regional. On the west coast I'd expect prices to be less as there's so many Lemonds for sale. There has been a covid bump in pricing. I haven't seen it too much in the searching I do, but it does (or did) exist. There's always people that haven't got a clue in the opposite direction...asking $500 for a '90s Trek 820 mtn bike..not going to happen even if it was brand new.

downhillmaster 11-21-20 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by Koyote (Post 21798278)
According to Bicycle Blue Book, that bike (in good-vg condition) is worth $350-$396 in a private party sale.

:rolleyes:
If you ever sell a bike I hope you set your price based upon their parameters.

ooga-booga 11-21-20 04:09 AM

thems fire sale parameters.

ooga-booga 11-21-20 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by joesch (Post 21798247)
Reads like a very good choice.
Lemond made great frames and 853 is a very nice steel.
For the same price and smaller 51cm, check out this offering on ebay

Lemond Zurich Road Bike Reynolds 853 Pro, Shimano Ultegra, Rolf, Michelin, 51cm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lemond-Zuri...oAAOSwtkNfrr84

looks to be in great shape. i prefer this era of lemond bikes/graphics vs the earlier or the later.

joesch 11-21-20 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by fishboat (Post 21798357)
BBB is reliably low on most bikes, relative to their actual asking/selling price. My ongoing hope with any bike I'm interested in is that the owner is using BBB as their pricing guide. There's a number of threads here on BF discussing the accuracy of BBB. It appears the BBB algorithm assumes all bikes are equal...which isn't true. I just looked up the BBB estimate on a Bridgestone MB-1, 1994(highly sought after bike). It estimates $275. Unless it was in tragically sad condition, I doubt we'll see any MB-1's at priced at $275. I usually see them at $500-$1000(asking).

With respect to Lemonds.. I keep pretty close tabs on CL Lemonds (daily, usually) over WI, MN, IL, IN, IA, & MI and have for several years now. (Morning routine with coffee..some folks read the paper..) I also keep reasonably close tabs on ebay sales..sellers are most often VERY optimistic in pricing, and the (lack of) completed sales indicate this. Ebay pricing has to be high given the fees they charge.

$625 for a spine Zurich, in very good condition cosmetically (I'd expect near new condition) with a sound frame and perfect condition mechanically (fairly common...there's so many bikes out there that have seen minimal miles) is a bit high, but I doubt it would ever go for less than $500, unless the seller hasn't got a clue..which is something we all hope for.. I'd think $550 may be a lowest price an informed seller would go. If he/she doesn't mind waiting too long..they'll probably get $600ish.

Of course, asking/selling prices are regional. On the west coast I'd expect prices to be less as there's so many Lemonds for sale. There has been a covid bump in pricing. I haven't seen it too much in the searching I do, but it does (or did) exist. There's always people that haven't got a clue in the opposite direction...asking $500 for a '90s Trek 820 mtn bike..not going to happen even if it was brand new.

Depends as ebay makes prices global but regional buyers value bikes differently and maybe able take advantage of buying via Craigs List, etc and avoid shipping. I really dont consult BBB as a realistic value guide. Ebay sellers are the market makers and only prices that sold matter, not list prices that go week after week and month after month as unsold.

RNAV 11-21-20 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by lcdel (Post 21796746)
I'm looking online at used bikes for my first road bike purchase and found a great-looking condition 2004 Lemond Zurich for $625. I want something relatively comfortable (don't want to hate taking it on long rides), can handle hills, and is zippy/fun. Thoughts on if this is the right bike for me and a decent deal?

I'm also a little confused about the fit as I'm a 5'6 F and have ridden 54cm bikes, but the seller listed this bike as 54cm for 5'9 and up.

Thanks!

I own two steel LeMonds and can confirm they are comfy, have great handling, and are fun to ride. I have a Croix de fer, which has identical geometry to the Zurich. I recently picked up a LeMond Washoe and like it so much, I ended up selling my sub-15 pound Trek Emonda. Both LeMonds are very smooth riding.

The great thing about this bike since it's your first is that the entry cost isn't too high. IMO, you're getting a better quality bike than you could get new for ~$1000-$1500. So, if you end up not liking road biking, you're not out too much. If you decide you do like it, then you've got a great frame that you can easily upgrade with a modern group set.

My Washoe is currently at the painter getting a custom paint job. Here's my Croix de fer for reference:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d7edd0b02.jpeg


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