Personal Scooter
I think it was Machka who asked in one of the dockless share threads why people don't just buy their own scooters instead of relying on share systems. This is a reasonable question, considering that scooters fold easily and so they can be carried on buses and other transit more easily than a bicycle.
So do you have a scooter that you carry with you when you take transit? If not, have you thought about getting one? What are factors and concerns that influence your decision? Is price/cost a factor? Do you think it would be too tedious/burdensome to tote a scooter around in addition to whatever else you have to carry? Would the availability of dockless sharing be the deciding factor in whether or not you would use a scooter and, if so, why? What about the potential for personal scooters to make transit a more attractive/convenient option for more people? What factors do or would influence the general driving-dependent public? Would riding a scooter just seem too weird or out-of-character for most people, or are their less superficial factors? If people found themselves in a financial situation where they would greatly benefit from giving up driving for transit+scooter, do you think most people would embrace the option or just lament not having a car? What is it about car culture that eschews other options and always feels entitled to car ownership? |
Machka asked why people don't just have their own bicycles.
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Originally Posted by Machka
(Post 20501733)
Machka asked why people don't just have their own bicycles.
Personally, I've thought about getting a folding push scooter without any motor because I don't think they go much slower than riding a bike at a casual pace. Really it's just about the efficiency of rolling on ball bearings instead of walking. I just haven't gotten one yet because I don't use public transit that much and when I do, I enjoy walking anyway. I ride bikes for transportation mostly because they are so fast, but I might get a folding push scooter for when I take a bus to another city. |
The only people I see on scooters are children who use them for fun and joy riding. I have never seen an adult using scooters for transportation.
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I went there when I was younger. Too dangerous. |
Originally Posted by wolfchild
(Post 20502238)
The only people I see on scooters are children who use them for fun and joy riding. I have never seen an adult using scooters for transportation.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20502531)
I suspect healthy adults riding push/non motorized scooters for transportation purposes are rarer than hen's teeth; anyone have pictures of them that aren't staged for publicity or a promotion of some sort?
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Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20503418)
Are you afraid to do things that are not already popular? If so, what are you afraid of? Ridicule for being 'different?'
Why not personal Pogo sticks or better yet "ride share" on dockless Pogo sticks? It would be suitably "different" enough for anyone who's apparent goal in life is to be "different". Equally impractical too! Even has the ascetic advantage of being wheel free. What's not to like? |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20503423)
Why not "ride share" on dockless Pogo sticks?
It would be suitably "different" enough for anyone who's apparent goal in life is to be "different". Equally impractical too! Even has the ascetic advantage of being wheel free. What's not to like? Bikes are good because you can pedal them and use gears to convert leg strength into meaningful forward impulses at even higher speeds. Push scooters lack this gearing so they are only really good to roll at walking/jogging speed, but they are much more efficient than jogging, because they roll while you just stand there and add momentum with the inertia of your body weight. Push scooters are more efficient than bikes to carry because they fold into a smaller/lighter package. Folding bikes are heavier and bulkier than push scooters. Skateboards also give you the rolling advantage of wheel bearings, the same as bikes and scooters, but they don't have handlebars so they are more difficult to control and thus more dangerous. Pogo sticks have to stop and change direction each time they land so they are not efficient for lateral motion. |
Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20503430)
Wheels/rolling are the key to utilizing Newton's first law of inertia/momentum efficiently. Objects in motion can only tend to stay in motion if they are not acted upon by external force (i.e. friction).
Bikes are good because you can pedal them and use gears to convert leg strength into meaningful forward impulses at even higher speeds. Push scooters lack this gearing so they are only really good to roll at walking/jogging speed, but they are much more efficient than jogging, because they roll while you just stand there and add momentum with the inertia of your body weight. Push scooters are more efficient than bikes to carry because they fold into a smaller/lighter package. Folding bikes are heavier and bulkier than push scooters. Skateboards also give you the rolling advantage of wheel bearings, the same as bikes and scooters, but they don't have handlebars so they are more difficult to control and thus more dangerous. Pogo sticks have to stop and change direction each time they land so they are not efficient for lateral motion. |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20503524)
Does that explain why push scooters are equally non used by adults for transportation, except for the rare "adult" character who uses a push scooter in order to "be different"?
Also, I never said anything about riding a push-scooter to 'be different' because I would never choose a form of transportation as a statement of similarity or difference with other people, real or imagined. What I asked you was whether you are afraid that riding a push scooter when no else was was because you are afraid of 'being different?' In other words, are you so concerned about social conformity that you would avoid a certain mode of transportation because it is not popular? |
Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20503614)
Also, I never said anything about riding a push-scooter to 'be different' because I would never choose a form of transportation as a statement of similarity or difference with other people, real or imagined.
What I asked you was whether you are afraid that riding a push scooter when no else was was because you are afraid of 'being different?' In other words, are you so concerned about social conformity that you would avoid a certain mode of transportation because it is not popular? Are you the fellow so afraid of posting anything personal about himself because of thoughts about conspiracies and enemies who might use such information, but feels free to ponder/ask off-the-wall wacky personal questions of others based on his own fabricated "thinking".:lol: |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20503810)
Of course you never said anything about a desire "to be different". :lol: It is a given, based on your posting history.
Are you the fellow so afraid of posting anything personal about himself because of thoughts about conspiracies and enemies who might use such information, but feels free to ponder/ask off-the-wall wacky personal questions of others based on his own fabricated "thinking".:lol: |
Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20503892)
I definitely don't trust everyone and why would it be a good idea to do so? All I asked you, on the other hand, is if you would avoid riding a scooter because you are afraid of 'being different?' Are you really so afraid of social nonconformity?
BTW, here is a question for you from the same playbook of so-called constructive discussion that you seem to prefer, "Have you stopped beating your [wife/dog/whatever] yet?" |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20504149)
Answer your own bizarro question based on the same pseudo psychological assumptions and projections that your so-called question is based upon.
BTW, here is a question for you from the same playbook of so-called constructive discussion that you seem to prefer, "Have you stopped beating your [wife/dog/whatever] yet?" |
I have a relative who uses manual scooter for the home to public transport leg. Also a friend who skateboards to work
https://www.cnet.com/news/electric-s...ransportation/ |
Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20504471)
Ok, so you don't want to discuss scooters in a thread about scooters. So why not just stay out of the thread, then?
Do YOU have any pictures of a healthy adult riding a manual/push scooter for transportation that wasn't staged for a promotion or a news article? Do you ride a push scooter? Do you know any adults who ride a push scooter for transportation? Tell us where your knowledge about their usefulness comes from? Is it the product of a "critical thinking" session? Where do you get your theories about fear and conspiracies driving people who don't fall for your dreamy schemes about personal transportation? "Critical thinking"? |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20504796)
See https://www.bikeforums.net/20502531-post6.html
Do YOU have any pictures of a healthy adult riding a manual/push scooter for transportation that wasn't staged for a promotion or a news article? Do you ride a push scooter? Do you know any adults who ride a push scooter for transportation? Tell us where your knowledge about their usefulness comes from? Is it the product of a "critical thinking" session? Where do you get your theories about fear and conspiracies driving people who don't fall for your dreamy schemes about personal transportation? "Critical thinking"? If you go back and read my post explaining the simple physics of rolling taking advantage of inertia, as per Newton's first law, you will see a very clear simple example of using critical thinking to analyze why you can sustain a higher average speed with a push scooter than by walking, or jumping on a pogo stick. You may not appreciate clarify because you prefer drunken thought-conformity, but never say that it wasn't explained to you. |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20504796)
See https://www.bikeforums.net/20502531-post6.html
Do YOU have any pictures of a healthy adult riding a manual/push scooter for transportation that wasn't staged for a promotion or a news article? |
Originally Posted by prathmann
(Post 20504817)
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
(Post 20502238)
I have never seen an adult using scooters for transportation.
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Originally Posted by prathmann
(Post 20504817)
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The tiny wheels mean hitting small obstacles at speed may include radical changes to the arangment and constitution of your genitalia.
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Originally Posted by tandempower
(Post 20504471)
Ok, so you don't want to discuss scooters in a thread about scooters. So why not just stay out of the thread, then?
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