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Rajflyboy 11-02-18 12:57 PM
Doping
 
My view on doping in professional cycling:

Team Sky and the majority of the other teams are still doping. Nothing has changed.

And because of this Lance should have his TDF wins re Instated. I’m not even a big Lance person. But let’s quit fooling each other. Doping still exists.

Giacomo 1 11-02-18 01:26 PM
And your proof is?

Rajflyboy 11-02-18 01:29 PM
I have none but my opinion is they are still using performance enhancers.


Giacomo 1 11-02-18 01:37 PM
Well, innocent until proven guilty is the bedrock of Western society.

Rajflyboy 11-02-18 01:52 PM
Yes

but we all knew Postal was doping. It took a long time to prove it.

You also must realize how corrupt Europe and the UCI are compared to the US of A

Caretaker 11-03-18 03:33 AM
The TdF is over for another year so the Nastycar and Podcast Guy's fans come out to play.

Pemetic2006 11-03-18 06:49 AM
I'd be willing to believe Froome is doping, if there was any proof.
For now I just go with the theory that he's simply better than anyone else at 3 week tours. He's not Superman though, he was (to me) clearly not "in shape" to win the TDF this year after a kick ass performance in the Giro.
But he did podium.

Rajflyboy 11-03-18 01:08 PM
Originally Posted by Pemetic2006 (Post 20646180)
I'd be willing to believe Froome is doping, if there was any proof.
For now I just go with the theory that he's simply better than anyone else at 3 week tours. He's not Superman though, he was (to me) clearly not "in shape" to win the TDF this year after a kick ass performance in the Giro.
But he did podium.
Froome is great. Yes he is. I wonder if his inhaler issue made it more difficult for him to take some extra junk for the 2018 TDF ?

obviously he was a giant target for drug testing

Pemetic2006 11-03-18 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Rajflyboy (Post 20646565)


Froome is great. Yes he is. I wonder if his inhaler issue made it more difficult for him to take some extra junk for the 2018 TDF ?

obviously he was a giant target for drug testing
I don't know enough about the inhaler/asthma/TUE thing to really have an educated conversation about it, but Lance was also the most tested guy when he was winning and they didn't catch him - until they did.
Still, I give Froome the benefit of the doubt. It's only fair, as far as I'm concerned. I'm not a big fan of his but he's a great athlete.
He has a great team too - they're able to crush anyone on most climbing stages and until a team comes up with a way to beat them at their own game, Team Sky will continue to win.

McBTC 11-03-18 02:49 PM
That LA is banned from cycling for life ... can't even complete in an Ironman event, pretty much tells you he's being punished for the sins of all pro cyclists-- apparently before and after.

Rajflyboy 11-03-18 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by McBTC (Post 20646649)
That LA is banned from cycling for life ... can't even complete in an Ironman event, pretty much tells you he's being punished for the sins of all pro cyclists-- apparently before and after.
it sure looks like this is true

Caretaker 11-03-18 03:30 PM
Poor Podcast Guy.

KraneXL 11-03-18 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by Rajflyboy (Post 20645299)
My view on doping in professional cycling...and ever other sport:

Team Sky and the majority of the other teams are still doping. Nothing has changed.

And because of this Lance should have his TDF wins re Instated. I’m not even a big Lance person. But let’s quit fooling each other. Doping still exists.
They have to keep up appearances. But you are correct. The genie's out of the bottle, and he's not going back.

One more thing, fixed it for you.

Rajflyboy 11-03-18 06:55 PM
His podcasts are rather interesting (he gives details about the TDF that the average follower may not know.

I recommend listening to some some of them just for the learning the sport aspect of it.

spokes5678 12-06-18 08:05 PM
L.A> is being punished for being an A.H. as much as doping.

KraneXL 12-07-18 02:41 AM
Originally Posted by spokes5678 (Post 20694337)
L.A> is being punished for being an A.H. as much as doping.
That club is a lot bigger than LA.

OBoile 12-08-18 05:35 AM
Originally Posted by Rajflyboy (Post 20645398)


You also must realize how corrupt Europe and the UCI are compared to the US of A
You need to stop living in a bubble.

OBoile 12-08-18 05:37 AM
Originally Posted by Rajflyboy (Post 20645299)
My view on doping in professional cycling:

Team Sky and the majority of the other teams are still doping. Nothing has changed.

And because of this Lance should have his TDF wins re Instated. I’m not even a big Lance person. But let’s quit fooling each other. Doping still exists.
One has been proven. The other (if it is even happening) hasn't. Kind of matters.

OBoile 12-08-18 05:42 AM
Originally Posted by Pemetic2006 (Post 20646180)
I'd be willing to believe Froome is doping, if there was any proof.
For now I just go with the theory that he's simply better than anyone else at 3 week tours. He's not Superman though, he was (to me) clearly not "in shape" to win the TDF this year after a kick ass performance in the Giro.
But he did podium.
Agreed. Also, when you compare Froome's victories, which are often by less than a minute to Armstrong's which were often by 5 or more minutes it certainly makes it seem like the playing field is far more even today. Keep in mind that Armstrong wasn't some genetic freak, He was good, but no one ever thought he had the potential to be an elite grand tour rider, let alone the best ever.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out Froome is doping but it isn't blatantly obvious as it was with Armstrong.

Doge 02-04-19 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 (Post 20645349)
And your proof is?
Do we have more than 2 TDF winners (yellow in Paris) that were not using PEDs in the last 25 years?
Note - I did not say cheaters. These were PED users, sometimes legally, sometimes not.
Froome - yup
Wiggins - yup
Contador - yup
Lance - yep
Ullrich - yep
Indurain - yep

Evans, Sastre - no evidence.
Merckx - yep
Thevenet - yep
Lemond - likely due to being shot and skin evidence.

When 9/10 used PEDs on record, I think it is true they are generally used by the winners.

OBoile 02-08-19 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by Rajflyboy (Post 20645299)
My view on doping in professional cycling:

Team Sky and the majority of the other teams are still doping. Nothing has changed.

And because of this Lance should have his TDF wins re Instated. I’m not even a big Lance person. But let’s quit fooling each other. Doping still exists.
So, someone who was caught cheating should not be punished because you think other people might also be cheating?
That's an odd sense of justice you have there.

Lemond1985 02-08-19 09:13 AM
Originally Posted by Doge (Post 20779661)
Do we have more than 2 TDF winners (yellow in Paris) that were not using PEDs in the last 25 years?
Note - I did not say cheaters. These were PED users, sometimes legally, sometimes not.
Froome - yup
Wiggins - yup
Contador - yup
Lance - yep
Ullrich - yep
Indurain - yep

Evans, Sastre - no evidence.
Merckx - yep
Thevenet - yep
Lemond - likely due to being shot and skin evidence.

When 9/10 used PEDs on record, I think it is true they are generally used by the winners.
Well, at least Pantani rode clean, thank goodness. :lol:

http://www.abc.es/Media/201202/14/ma...p--644x362.jpg

Doge 02-08-19 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by OBoile (Post 20784865)
So, someone who was caught cheating should not be punished because you think other people might also be cheating?
That's an odd sense of justice you have there.
That argument is prevalent in California death row. CA does not execute death row prisoners, because it would be unfair because no-one else was executed.
It certainly isn't odd - at least in CA.

Doge 02-08-19 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by Lemond1985 (Post 20784926)
Well, at least Pantani rode clean, thank goodness. :lol:

http://www.abc.es/Media/201202/14/ma...p--644x362.jpg
Guess I was unfair as he was never found to be a PED user during racing. It is thought he just died from off competition recreational PED use.
So I guess, technically he was a non PED at the time user.

Rajflyboy 02-08-19 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by OBoile (Post 20784865)
So, someone who was caught cheating should not be punished because you think other people might also be cheating?
That's an odd sense of justice you have there.
euros just pick on Lance because he is from the West

It was the uci that also is caught up in this mess. They should crack down harder.


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