Randomness: Why pricing is the way it is?
Just a quick vent.
Looking at picking up a spare rear wheel [I'll leave those details out for now] & for just a quick factory rear wheel assembly is over 200.00. if I buy a "set" that contains the very same rear assembly, I can also have a front assembly for just under 375.00. Makes me just not want to buy anything at all. Probably will be the case. /rant |
Bundle discount
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Rear typically costs more than the front due to different components.
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Front hubs are simpler and cheaper. Front wheels are less expensive than back wheels. This isn't complicated or wrong.
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Rear wheel will always cost more. A freehub costs more than a front hub. A rear wheel will have different spoke lengths (DS/NDS) and possibly different lacing on each side, depending on the application.
I would expect more of a price difference, except in the case of disc brakes on the front. With disc brakes, lacing patterns are usually different. Rim brake front wheels are pretty simple. John |
Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 21797103)
Just a quick vent.
Looking at picking up a spare rear wheel [I'll leave those details out for now] & for just a quick factory rear wheel assembly is over 200.00. if I buy a "set" that contains the very same rear assembly, I can also have a front assembly for just under 375.00. Makes me just not want to buy anything at all. Probably will be the case. /rant |
Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 21797103)
Just a quick vent.
Looking at picking up a spare rear wheel [I'll leave those details out for now] & for just a quick factory rear wheel assembly is over 200.00. if I buy a "set" that contains the very same rear assembly, I can also have a front assembly for just under 375.00. Makes me just not want to buy anything at all. Probably will be the case. /rant |
Rear wheels typically have a freehub and more spokes and nipples
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As others have pointed out, there is nothing 'random' about this. Rear hubs ALWAYS cost more than front hubs, and hence rear wheels ALWAYS cost more than front wheels.
Notice anything different about these two things? https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...94290dc1ee.jpg |
Strangeness abounds here.
Why does the thread have “thread” in the title? In a world, the whole world, where we frequently see more complicated things costing x+(x•~0.25) than simpler things costing x AND we frequently see things which are logically bundled together costing less than when unbundled- what is “random” about this? You must not have ever been to a Grocery Store. Brace yourself: two half gallons of milk will cost at least $0.50 more than a gallon. The same with two half dozens of eggs against a whole dozen. Welcome to adulthood. [edit] just saw your sn & avi. Ya got me! |
Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 21797103)
Just a quick vent.
Looking at picking up a spare rear wheel [I'll leave those details out for now] & for just a quick factory rear wheel assembly is over 200.00. if I buy a "set" that contains the very same rear assembly, I can also have a front assembly for just under 375.00. Makes me just not want to buy anything at all. Probably will be the case. /rant Nice to meet you :beer: |
Originally Posted by downhillmaster
(Post 21797556)
I always wondered who was the last person left on the entire planet that didn’t understand the concept of a ‘bundle’ discount.
Nice to meet you :beer: |
Originally Posted by Koyote
(Post 21797576)
Except that it's not really a bundle discount.
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Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
(Post 21797691)
It's like the "five dollars each or two for $9.99" kind of discount.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 21797179)
Or are you complaining that a set costs less than the individual parts purchased separately?
When the bulk price is used in perishables, it still make sense to buy what I will use vs what I could save per price break margin. If I bought 1 US Gal of milk but can only consume 45% of the US Gal typically , there is no savings to be had. Just a bunch of waste, to which the loss could be applied towards the bundle of wheels, potentially. FWIW the wheels are 6 bolt disc with cassette ready hub. |
Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
(Post 21797691)
It's like the "five dollars each or two for $9.99" kind of discount.
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Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 21797812)
comparing the pricing to other brands, the other known brands set the difference a la carte' vs "bundle" price gap rather farther apart.
When the bulk price is used in perishables, it still make sense to buy what I will use vs what I could save per price break margin. If I bought 1 US Gal of milk but can only consume 45% of the US Gal typically , there is no savings to be had. Just a bunch of waste, to which the loss could be applied towards the bundle of wheels, potentially. FWIW the wheels are 6 bolt disc with cassette ready hub. |
Originally Posted by Troul
(Post 21797812)
comparing the pricing to other brands, the other known brands set the difference a la carte' vs "bundle" price gap rather farther apart.
When the bulk price is used in perishables, it still make sense to buy what I will use vs what I could save per price break margin. If I bought 1 US Gal of milk but can only consume 45% of the US Gal typically , there is no savings to be had. Just a bunch of waste, to which the loss could be applied towards the bundle of wheels, potentially. FWIW the wheels are 6 bolt disc with cassette ready hub. |
The worst bad actor in pricing, not just in bikes, is the "minimum advertised price" which is a form of monopoly price fixing. It's illegal in Europe and that's why we used to be able to get around it (Chain Reaction, Bike24, etc) but that avenue was shut down a couple years ago. We can still see the prices they pay. Can still get around it via China, but takes more careful shopping, and you're obviously not going to get the very latest from any American bike company that way.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 21797914)
I read this a couple times and am not sure what your point is as i dont see how your response is an answer to my questions.
The knock-off brands just throws everything out of whack. They seem to be trying for reputation value yet underdog the overall market with their pricing. If I could eat the wheel, it'd be worth the price as it wouldn't go to waste. All the fiber though, geesh. Ever have tacobell in conjunction with white castle all doused in diablo sauce? That's a man made fiber diet. |
Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
(Post 21797918)
The worst bad actor in pricing, not just in bikes, is the "minimum advertised price" which is a form of monopoly price fixing. It's illegal in Europe and that's why we used to be able to get around it (Chain Reaction, Bike24, etc) but that avenue was shut down a couple years ago. We can still see the prices they pay. Can still get around it via China, but takes more careful shopping, and you're obviously not going to get the very latest from any American bike company that way.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
(Post 21797918)
The worst bad actor in pricing, not just in bikes, is the "minimum advertised price" which is a form of monopoly price fixing. It's illegal in Europe and that's why we used to be able to get around it (Chain Reaction, Bike24, etc) but that avenue was shut down a couple years ago. We can still see the prices they pay. Can still get around it via China, but takes more careful shopping, and you're obviously not going to get the very latest from any American bike company that way.
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Originally Posted by Reflector Guy
(Post 21797691)
It's like the "five dollars each or two for $9.99" kind of discount.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty
(Post 21797918)
The worst bad actor in pricing, not just in bikes, is the "minimum advertised price" which is a form of monopoly price fixing. It's illegal in Europe and that's why we used to be able to get around it (Chain Reaction, Bike24, etc) but that avenue was shut down a couple years ago. We can still see the prices they pay. Can still get around it via China, but takes more careful shopping, and you're obviously not going to get the very latest from any American bike company that way.
I liked buying cheap bike parts 4 years ago too, so yeah I was bummed when Euro channels stopped selling Shimano to the US(except Merlin for some reason). MAP helps maintain a product's standing in the marketplace, which is value to the company/brand. Many brands sell based on image and keeping their pricing at a position that is in line with their image is critical to the success of that brand/company. A brand absolutely should have a say as to how their products are sold at the retail level because perception affects brand value. If their products are constantly discounted at the retail level, then the brand's value suffers. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 21798369)
In cycling, MAP isnt price fixing and it definitely isnt any part of what makes a monopoly. There are no monopolies that I can think of in cycling...maybe Velo saddles could be the closest thing, and that company isnt close to a monopoly.
I liked buying cheap bike parts 4 years ago too, so yeah I was bummed when Euro channels stopped selling Shimano to the US(except Merlin for some reason). MAP helps maintain a product's standing in the marketplace, which is value to the company/brand. Many brands sell based on image and keeping their pricing at a position that is in line with their image is critical to the success of that brand/company. A brand absolutely should have a say as to how their products are sold at the retail level because perception affects brand value. If their products are constantly discounted at the retail level, then the brand's value suffers. |
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