Wait....WHAT ? Did I Just Hear That Right????
On today's Stage 9 of the 2020 Tour de France
Christian Vande Velde discussing climbing gearing, said it was conceivable for a rider to run a 32 tooth chainring and a 32 tooth rear cog. "That would be a zero (0) inch gear.........!!!??? WHAT ****************************** Does he mean the rider running that gear can pedal and go NOWHERE ??? |
It's a 26.4 gear inches. Much like trials bikes, which often have a 1:1 ratio. And yes, you pedal and basically go nowhere. :)
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I rented a bike in SF that had a 34 front and 34 rear. You need it there.
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'gear inches' are gear ratio X wheel diameter in inches.. 1:1 x 28" is a 28" gear, dude.
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Perhaps athletic ability and math acumen are not related, or he misspoke.
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Yup....I know how to calculate gear inches................Christion may need a bir of an education....
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Originally Posted by Ronno6
(Post 21680996)
Yup....I know how to calculate gear inches................Christion may need a bir of an education....
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Originally Posted by conspiratemus1
(Post 21681290)
Well, division is sort of like subtraction, right?
I find the loss of math skills and awareness a bit sad. I took math for 14 1/2 years. Don't regret it at all. Sadly, I lost a lot of it with my head injury 3 years later but when I went back to school, I got a tutor who suggested a math book with self-study chapters on many of its branches. I"m far, far from a math whiz but I do know math well enough to see quickly numbers that aren't in the ball park. (And time on the bike has meant I've figured out some tricks to getting "close enough" answers in my head while riding. Done gear inches hundreds of times! Ben |
Yeah, I heard him and also caught the error. As noted, math isn't everyone's field of expertise.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 21681428)
Yeah, I heard him and also caught the error. As noted, math isn't everyone's field of expertise.
But.............he WAS a pro rider for many years. He certainly should understand gear inches..... |
He might have been trying to express a 0 overdrive ratio. Like in some cars when the transmission ratio is 1:1. The 6 speed automatic in my cuv is direct drive in 4'th for example, An overdrive of 0.
On a bicycle we typically call it a 1:1 ratio. Which is direct drive like a penny farthing bike. A 0 overdrive might come to mind in a pinch. |
Originally Posted by Ronno6
(Post 21681454)
Maybe not,
But.............he WAS a pro rider for many years. He certainly should understand gear inches..... Beyond that, it's very common for high-level athletes to have other people maintain their equipment. First parents, then team mechanics. Heck, look at the number of casual riders who take their bike to the shop to get flats fixed. |
Originally Posted by gsa103
(Post 21683843)
Why? Gear inches aren't widely used outside of some bike mechanics and junior racing limits. Racing wheel sizes are completely standard so looking at gear ratios tells you everything. Gear inches is not used in the mountain bike community at all.
Beyond that, it's very common for high-level athletes to have other people maintain their equipment. First parents, then team mechanics. Heck, look at the number of casual riders who take their bike to the shop to get flats fixed. But..... He used the term "inches." He should at least know what it means...........a 34X34 would be a 1:1 ratio....NOTHING zero about it............... Basically 27 inches. Gear inches does not represent anything accurate as far as travel per crank revolution.; it is off by a factor of Pi at the least.It is only used as a relatively quick numeric comparison of the various gear ratios in a given drive train. "Zero" is not even valid as a ratio, as a number can not be divided by zero, nor zero divided by a number. |
Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 21681325)
Subtraction with two more dots. (They can be had to see.) If you simply pull out the calculator (app or whatever) and do 32 - 32 X 27 you get 0. Every time. (You mean to tell me I had to put on my readers to find those silly little things?)
I find the loss of math skills and awareness a bit sad. I took math for 14 1/2 years. Don't regret it at all. Sadly, I lost a lot of it with my head injury 3 years later but when I went back to school, I got a tutor who suggested a math book with self-study chapters on many of its branches. I"m far, far from a math whiz but I do know math well enough to see quickly numbers that aren't in the ball park. (And time on the bike has meant I've figured out some tricks to getting "close enough" answers in my head while riding. Done gear inches hundreds of times! Ben |
I don't bother with inches..........an additional unnecessary step.....
A simple approximation of ratio is all I need....... |
All I know, ist hat I occasionally need a bigger gear on the back!
How much bigger? Bigger than the one on there! |
Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 21681325)
Subtraction with two more dots. (They can be had to see.) If you simply pull out the calculator (app or whatever) and do 32 - 32 X 27 you get 0. Every time.
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Wasn't that Bobkie's mistake?
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Originally Posted by Ronno6
(Post 21681454)
Maybe not,
But.............he WAS a pro rider for many years. He certainly should understand gear inches..... |
Originally Posted by nomadmax
(Post 21684995)
Going fast on a bicycle doesn't have anything to do with understanding it technically. I'm sure he'd give you pass for being slow (compared to him); why not pass on the same grace?
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Originally Posted by Ronno6
(Post 21680773)
You can lead a man to water, but you can't keep him from pissing in it.
Cadence at what speed vs at what work load... f math comparisons which are nonsense. What tooth counts are only really references to physical ability. |
Originally Posted by Aladin
(Post 21685058)
'gear inch' is the same concept... like a bunch of elementary boys comparing johnnies in the bushes.
Cadence at what speed vs at what work load... f math comparisons which are nonsense. What tooth counts are only really references to physical ability. |
Originally Posted by Ronno6
(Post 21680996)
Yup....I know how to calculate gear inches................Christion may need a bir of an education....
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Originally Posted by Ronno6
(Post 21684122)
I don't bother with inches..........an additional unnecessary step.....
A simple approximation of ratio is all I need....... |
Originally Posted by velopig
(Post 21685482)
Ok,I will bite and help you keep this thread alive. Tell me how your ratios work out when comparing a 349mm Brompton and a 700x 42 Gravel tire.
Based on Christian's statement, BOTH instances would produce ZERO inches if being driven by a 34X34 drivetrain. And, it really doesn't matter if it is a blue bike or has Look Keo pedals..... However, I realize how difficult it is to stay on topic........... |
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