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randyjawa 12-05-20 06:00 PM

Torpado Paint Brush On Paint Job...
 
Those who know me know that I do not like to paint vintage road bicycles and I wrestled with to paint or not to paint, when it comes to this old Torpado...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d512661fe5.jpg

So, the decision is made and the $$$ is on its virtual way for art...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97013f7cf5.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...60089c8752.jpg

Already picked up a can of Rustoleum yellow and Rustoleum recreational white. Had the brush for years and looking forward to slapping on a coat or two of brushed on paint...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4dd1d6267c.png

How does a brushed on paint job turn out? Have a look at the last brush job that I did...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fee5b6dec4.jpg

More pictures to follow.

Swampthing 12-05-20 06:28 PM

It Looks good to me, at least from a distance.
nice job!

Feldman 12-05-20 06:32 PM

That PX10 was painted with a brush??!! Bravo!

Kilroy1988 12-05-20 07:15 PM

Looking forward to seeing how the Torpado turns out! That should be a good candidate to paint with a brush because you won't have to worry about so much busy masking work that it would require if sprayed.

I paint a variety of things, from landscapes on canvas to model kits to reproductions of ancient artifacts, yet for some reason I've always been put off by the idea of brush painting a bicycle frame simply because that's "not how it's done." I remember seeing your PX10 and thinking it looked fine, and have seen enough original vintage frames where at least the lugs or panels were hand painted, so I decided to give it a go recently. I'm almost done with a full brush "touch up" job on a 1979 Mercian that will end up covering a majority of the frame to hide the fact that my red was not a perfect match!

I actually opted to use Testors enamel paints that are meant for model building and such, which come in tiny bottles for $2 a piece at hobby stores. So far I've gotten two or three coats over almost an entire frame set for less than $10! The stuff sands nicely and dries relatively hard, and I'll seal it with one of those fancy rattle can 2k clear coats. It's been such fun and there are so many color options with the Testors enamels (many of which can also be had in small spray cans) that I'm considering picking up another frame just to do it again.

-Gregory

Velo Mule 12-05-20 08:00 PM

I remember that Peugeot and the fact that you painted it with a brush from your MyTenSpeeds site. With good prep work and good application of paint, brush paint can look every bit as good as spray, especially where the paint is a traditional solid color (rather than a metallic). I am looking forward to seeing this though.

Are you going to tint the paint at all or paint straight Rustoleim Sunburst Yellow? I have used that paint and can say it is quite bright which might have been exactly how the yellow paint started out. Or not. Tinting Rustoleum paint, for some reason seems to be tricky. I had the Sunburst Yellow that I mixed with Regal Red in order to get a orange. I did get orange but not the bright orange that I was looking for it was a slightly muddy tint of orange.

If you tint it, it will be only slight so I don't think you will have any problems. Of course, try a small sample first.

By the way, one of the things that I like about brushing the paint is that it is a thicker coat than a sprayed coat.

Keep us posted on the progress, perhaps even a step by step update. I think most interesting will be the change from the first color coat to the second.

SurferRosa 12-05-20 09:03 PM

Does the color choice of Peugeot white also somehow help? I brush painted the rear triangle and top tube of a white PR10, and it came out really well, too. Never done that before or since.

Kilroy1988 12-05-20 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by SurferRosa (Post 21820288)
Does the color choice of Peugeot white also somehow help? I brush painted the rear triangle and top tube of a white PR10, and it came out really well, too. Never done that before or since.

It just comes down to solid versus metallic colors, and matte versus gloss finishes. The way that light reflects off of the paint may make it more or less likely to see imperfections in the finish, such as uneven applications, etc... A flat white reflects a lot of light so it would be hard to notice contours unless if they build up enough to cast shadows.

-Gregory

due ruote 12-05-20 09:46 PM

Interesting. Looking forward to the results.
If the intent is to match the current color (at least what I am seeing on my phone), I canít see how youíre getting there with just yellow and white. From here it definitely looks like a touch of orange or red will be needed.

randyjawa 12-06-20 02:35 AM


Looking forward to seeing how the Torpado turns out! That should be a good candidate to paint with a brush because you won't have to worry about so much busy masking work that it would require if sprayed.
Torpado lugs are a pain to mask, this set being done the old way, with masking tape and lots of frustration...
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ba73e97933.jpg


"Busy masking"? No problem anymore. For the more intricate masking requirements, liquid masking material is the easiest way to go. This little bottle set me back $30.00 CND but will go a long way and the results are worth the expense...
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1715b444a0.jpg

And the results are pretty good, not professional good, but pretty darn (masked by an old guy with poor eyesight and shaky hands - a month or so ago)...
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0fee0fd679.jpg


Are you going to tint the paint at all or paint straight Rustoleim Sunburst Yellow?
I am going with the original stock Rustoleum color, which is remarkably close to the original Torpado color. "As found" the Torpado's yellow had faded and discolored. Once sanding started, the much brighter yellow color made itself known. So no need or desire to mix paint. The two colors selected are for a "two tone" paint job, with the bulk being bright yellow. The off white, called Recitational white, is for the head tube and probably fenders (not sure about fender color choice yet - but yellow or off white will be the only choices for now).

More to follow but need a week or two to get the old lady painted. The art should be here in two to sixteen or seventeen weeks (postal systems are challenged these days - still waiting for two items to arrive). I will keep y'all posted. And, for what it is worth, this is the second yellow Torpado to come my way. You would all take a giant dump if you knew how much this old yellow Italian entry level steed sold for...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a437a3b993.jpg

SurferRosa 12-06-20 09:48 AM

Where did you get your decals? I assume you purchased the same set from the same supplier before?

oneclick 12-06-20 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by SurferRosa (Post 21820732)
Where did you get your decals? I assume you purchased the same set from the same supplier before?

They look like the Velocals stuff. If so, he might be waiting a while; last week I got the stuff I ordered Sept 15th.

randyjawa 12-06-20 02:26 PM

I did order from Velocals and do not expect to see them anytime before Ho Ho Ho Day. No problem since the paint will need all the time it can get to harden up.

I have not used the Velocals product before but decided to give them a try. They offer exactly what I need and at a price I do not find objectionable. Needless to say, I cannot comment on quality yet as I have never purchased from them before. The two Torpado bikes shown together were purchased from the same guy on the same day for the price of a trike that I had little use for. Both were in excellent cosmetic condition.

oneclick 12-06-20 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by randyjawa (Post 21821120)
I did order from Velocals and do not expect to see them anytime before Ho Ho Ho Day. No problem since the paint will need all the time it can get to harden up.

I have not used the Velocals product before but decided to give them a try. They offer exactly what I need and at a price I do not find objectionable. Needless to say, I cannot comment on quality yet as I have never purchased from them before. The two Torpado bikes shown together were purchased from the same guy on the same day for the price of a trike that I had little use for. Both were in excellent cosmetic condition.

The quality I think is good, they are a little thick compared to the H. Lloyd ones I got, which is probably a good thing, you'd have to be quite clumsy to tear one installing it.

nlerner 12-06-20 03:23 PM

I tried brush painting once--during the winter on a BF cheapo build. The end product was really terrible. Now I wait until warmer weather and apply paint from a spray can (or go to the powdercoater).

big chainring 12-06-20 05:45 PM

I really enjoy brush painting bikes. Its really relaxing and the results are rewarding. This was a down and dirty job on this Mercier. It was all purple, I added the green just a couple months ago just for fun snd to play with colors. But I plan on repainting it this winter with new decals.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...30a2909690.jpg

randyjawa 12-22-20 07:00 PM

Well, the frame and fork are, pretty much, prepped and ready for a coat of paint. And, here is where I run into a bit of trouble.

"As found", the Torpado was an OK shade of yellow. Little did I know that the bike's shade of yellow was assisted by smoker's damage. The entire frame/fork set was coated in smoke film as can be seen by the darker yellow spots that I had not cleaned off yet...
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...42f7710549.jpg

Then, indecision! I am not sure that I want a bright yellow bicycle. Even though I had already bought the two colors I intended to go with, I changed my mind. Rather than yellow with off white accents, I have decided to go with gray and red accents. Fingers crossed with this choice...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3e016f07c9.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ee90319012.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...46c2e9908b.png
So far, I have paid $40.00 for paint, $18.00 for a good quality brush, $24.00 for assorted dry and wet/dry sand paper (220 to 1000 grit), $2.00 for a tack rag, and $8.00 for paint thinner. I also bought some small artist's brushes but cannot figure out where I put them (no pic). Anyway, total for paint so far = $92.00 cnd.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3d431c4f36.jpg

To that $92.00 cnd add the cost of art, another $65.00 cnd (approx) for a total of $157.00 cnd. For a brushed on paint job. Anyway...

The hoods are here and the cloth bar tape is on its way. Another $50.00, or so.

Yup, got myself a free bike and so far have a tad over $200.00 invested.

Feldman 12-22-20 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by randyjawa (Post 21820066)
Those who know me know that I do not like to paint vintage road bicycles and I wrestled with to paint or not to paint, when it comes to this old Torpado...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d512661fe5.jpg

So, the decision is made and the $$$ is on its virtual way for art...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97013f7cf5.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...60089c8752.jpg

Already picked up a can of Rustoleum yellow and Rustoleum recreational white. Had the brush for years and looking forward to slapping on a coat or two of brushed on paint...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4dd1d6267c.png

How does a brushed on paint job turn out? Have a look at the last brush job that I did...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fee5b6dec4.jpg

More pictures to follow.

What primer will you be using?

randyjawa 12-23-20 06:03 AM


What primer will you be using?
Based on the manufacturer's recommendations, no primer. To that add that I have used Rustoleum (I actually used to work at the Canadian plant that made this stuff) rust paint before without primer and achieved good results. To that add that most of the original paint is going to be painted over. The original paint is hard and stuck like poo poo to a blanket. So, no primer this time - fingers crossed. That said, something has given me cause for concern...

Are the decals I ordered from Velocals decals or stickers? If decals, time to rethink the paint plan.

oneclick 12-23-20 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by randyjawa (Post 21845119)
That said, something has given me cause for concern...

Are the decals I ordered from Velocals decals or stickers? If decals, time to rethink the paint plan.

They do both kinds; you chose which material you wanted when you ordered them.

randyjawa 12-23-20 08:13 AM


They do both kinds; you chose which material you wanted when you ordered them.
Thanks and I just checked what I ordered - 2ml vinyl - perfect for my intentions.

SJX426 12-23-20 08:33 AM

@randyjawa - I am intrigued with concept of brush painting a bike frame. As you move forward, every detail of the paint prep and application along with technique would be greatly appreciated.

I do miss your 10speed site where I first learned of the PX10 paint application a number of years ago.

randyjawa 12-24-20 05:31 AM


@randyjawa - I am intrigued with concept of brush painting a bike frame. As you move forward, every detail of the paint prep and application along with technique would be greatly appreciated.
My exact intention was to do just that. With MY "TEN SPEEDS" gone, I decided to share this project for two reasons...

To help others and to give me something, both social and mechanical, to do. If I can help someone, somewhere learn how to paint a bike with a brush, then I have achieved a goal. And, as for goal number two - well this is it and more to come. But I want all to keep one thing in mind...

The original paint and art on the Torpado was not perfect, even before the bike left the bike building place. So, when I or you make a wee error, think of it as the beginnings of the eventual patina the bike will earn as it passes through the use of time. Anyway, this is factory issue art (should add that this sort of factory issue cosmetic issue is not associated only with Torpado - most makes were guilty of poor workmanship, if that is the right word)...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d005c470a1.jpg

Classtime 12-24-20 09:12 AM

I read and re-read your PX-10 issue and I was convinced to spend the big bucks on brushes at the art supply store. I got Princeton Summit 6100 #2, 6, and 10. I think that made it possible to lay down some smooth paint when I did my PX-10. Thanks again Randy.

randyjawa 12-24-20 10:01 AM


I read and re-read your PX-10 issue and I was convinced to spend the big bucks on brushes at the art supply store.
Big bucks I don't recall, but roughly $20.00 covered the cost of three sizes. Still have them but, stupid me, forgot to get them from the lake cottage. And, tomorrow, Thunder Bay locks down so going to buy such items might not be an option. Oh well, I always enjoy the trip out to the cottage. Don't think much of wading through crotch deep crusted snow to get to the buried door of my man cave. And, guess what I need next, for my paint with a brush project? Yup - the artists brushes. Heavy snow means no go to the lake today. I will wait for the over worked snow plows to block the drive way completely...

Should also get my polisher and sticks, though not paint related...
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...65d81eae19.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...065cc62c06.jpg

And my home made truing stand/dishing tool, again not paint related...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5b28e58b41.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bbe9dbf2ff.jpg

And what ever I plan to forget when I get there next time:-(

randyjawa 12-31-20 03:34 PM

Well, Mother Nature is cooperating today. Snow storms and shovel parties abounded, for a while, but I finally got a bit more done on the Torpado's paint work.

The frame is sanded, cleaned, scrubbed (see picture of plastic dish washing scrubbers - two grades),tack ragged and ready for paint...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...349c5594f6.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf29a6ede7.jpg

Masking is next on the list. I use liquid mask for intricate work. Believe it or not, those lovely chrome head tube lugs are already protected with a layer of liquid mask. The material is really water based rubber and difficult to feel confident when applying. The results will tell the tale...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7713cf6ae6.jpg

When doing tubes and stays, I start with fine line masking tape, ending inside or underneath or in the back of each tube or stay...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bcd339468f.jpg

If it does not look perfect, remove the tape (with care) and apply again, until it is right...
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d32a573c3b.jpg

Once satisfied that the masking is done, dust off the frame with the tack rag one last time and paint away. I plan my set-up, using my work stand, never having to remove the frame. Set up like this, I can easily and safely rotate the frame, ensuring that I see everything that needs to be covered. Also, II try to always work towards the painted area. This makes, as I see it, for smoother transitions as the paint is drying during application...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...be62080a59.jpg

Do not expect great first coat results. You are covering other colors. It is the first coat and you are leaning how to do it. To perfect your technique. With each coat, sanded in between coats, you get better at applying the paint. This is the result of coat one. Plenty to not feel great about, so far. It is easy to create holidays when brushing the first coat. Also and this is important - DO NOT FUSS WITH IT! Missed a spot, or two or three. So what - correct with the next coat which WILL look better...
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c6ce949326.jpg

The missed spot, I can and will fix. The pooey stinko lug workmanship, not so much...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...66d8171c96.jpg

But the original owner's name, still etched into the frame, is not invisible (so is the phone number on the other side)...
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d372bdac1b.jpg

But I know what is coming next. Forgot to prepare the fork. Fork me for forgetting. Also, I plan to do the fenders in grey, to match the frame. That means sand the chrome smooth. But, hopefully, it will all be worth it.

I hope to paint again next year tomorrow. I will finish the grey, then, once the grey is well past handling hard, I will apply the red to the head tube and lug windows...
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5e0b64edb3.png
And, then, of course, the art.


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