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Juan Foote 07-04-20 07:32 AM

How long are we going to continue to play like we can stop this?
 
Here is man pretending like we can control "nature"**. This bug is out. It's mutating. It appears that all we are doing by running around with masks is setting ourselves a future pandemic reoccurrence.

I know there are tons of analogs comparing this to the flu in various ways. We realize we can't stop the flu. There isn't a cure for a flu. It mutates too much to even make the "vaccine" we pretend we have from being more effective than a tic tac most of the time....

The sooner that we come to the conclusion that no leader, no mask, no social distancing is actually going to STOP this. Allow it to run it's course. People will die. Hospitals will be full. And then all the ones who are left are stronger for it. It sucks, but it's natural selection at work. We can get back to the business of life.

**in no way shape of form is this an admission that this virus occurred naturally

DrIsotope 07-04-20 07:48 AM

No one has ever said that any of the current measures prevent the disease. Masks and social distancing are to "flatten the curve," spreading out the occurrence of serious infections so hospitals can try to keep up.

But the people that are going to get serious cases are going to get them, it's just a matter of when. Barring full-blown quarantine of... well, everyone, the virus is going to continue to travel and infect people. Some of those people will die.

Standing in the long line to get into the Costco a few days ago, the little girl about 8 feet in front of me pulled down her mask, sneezed violently four times-- into the wide open air-- then pulled her mask back up.

That's why this virus, and all the other viruses, have and always will do well. The virus picked the perfect idiot species to go for.

jack pot 07-04-20 07:48 AM

^^^^^^^^ an apt appreciation of natures way of eco equilibrium > humanity keeps tampering and nature keeps mutating in response :)

wgscott 07-04-20 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by jack pot (Post 21568505)
^^^^^^^^ an apt appreciation of natures way of eco equilibrium > humanity keeps tampering and nature keeps mutating in response :)

The virus didn't "mutate" in response to human "tampering."

Juan Foote 07-04-20 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by wgscott (Post 21568522)
The virus didn't "mutate" in response to human "tampering."

Well, that's the "official" storyline, anyway.

wgscott 07-04-20 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Juan Foote (Post 21568527)
Well, that's the "official" storyline, anyway.

Do you have inside information that says otherwise?

Juan Foote 07-04-20 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by wgscott (Post 21568532)
Do you have inside information that says otherwise?


Yes and I am going to tell the whole wo......

CycleryNorth81 07-04-20 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Juan Foote (Post 21568483)
Here is man pretending like we can control "nature"**. This bug is out. It's mutating. It appears that all we are doing by running around with masks is setting ourselves a future pandemic reoccurrence.

I know there are tons of analogs comparing this to the flu in various ways. We realize we can't stop the flu. There isn't a cure for a flu. It mutates too much to even make the "vaccine" we pretend we have from being more effective than a tic tac most of the time....

The sooner that we come to the conclusion that no leader, no mask, no social distancing is actually going to STOP this. Allow it to run it's course. People will die. Hospitals will be full. And then all the ones who are left are stronger for it. It sucks, but it's natural selection at work. We can get back to the business of life.

**in no way shape of form is this an admission that this virus occurred naturally

If one is tire of the virus, one can catch the disease and get it over with. Chances are you will develop immunity if you survive. Good luck if you don't survive.

3alarmer 07-04-20 08:36 AM

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...Jesus wept.:crash:

gregf83 07-04-20 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Juan Foote (Post 21568483)
Here is man pretending like we can control "nature"**. This bug is out. It's mutating. It appears that all we are doing by running around with masks is setting ourselves a future pandemic reoccurrence.

I know there are tons of analogs comparing this to the flu in various ways. We realize we can't stop the flu. There isn't a cure for a flu. It mutates too much to even make the "vaccine" we pretend we have from being more effective than a tic tac most of the time....

The sooner that we come to the conclusion that no leader, no mask, no social distancing is actually going to STOP this. Allow it to run it's course. People will die. Hospitals will be full. And then all the ones who are left are stronger for it. It sucks, but it's natural selection at work. We can get back to the business of life.

**in no way shape of form is this an admission that this virus occurred naturally

Would you have used that same argument for Polio, Measles etc?

Turns out many who survive Covid sustain permanent damage so they’re not ‘stronger’ as you postulate.

79pmooney 07-04-20 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by wgscott (Post 21568522)
The virus didn't "mutate" in response to human "tampering."

But humans did bring infected wild animals to a crowded market, animals that could have simply been left to themselves. The chain of bats to humans takes some effort on our part. (We have also used our intelligence and the earth's resources to install systems to spread an infection from one community to all around the world.)

Juan Foote 07-04-20 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81 (Post 21568591)
If one is tire of the virus, one can catch the disease and get it over with. Chances are you will develop immunity if you survive. Good luck if you don't survive.


Actually feel pretty certain that we had it in Dec. Unfortunately we have asked for antibody tests from our GP and as of yet they have no tests to administer. Son got really sick at work and then we all progressed to "double pnemonia, not the flu, om steroids. etc." and were sick for over a month. My wife was a bit over two months and two rounds of antibiotics and an inhaler.

gregf83 07-04-20 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81 (Post 21568591)
If one is tire of the virus, one can catch the disease and get it over with. Chances are you will develop immunity if you survive. Good luck if you don't survive.

You can even win money for catching it in Alabama....

Juan Foote 07-04-20 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by gregf83 (Post 21568593)
Would you have used that same argument for Polio, Measles etc?

Turns out many who survive Covid sustain permanent damage so they’re not ‘stronger’ as you postulate.


Well yeah. Mankind LIVED with and accepted that there were things we could not prevent or help. Up until recent history it was attributed to things like upsetting the gods, bad smells, vampires...such as that. Only recently have we learned what the actual causation is and attempted to do anything about it. Somewhere along the line we crossed a line from "hoping we can find a cure" to "expecting that we will find a cure". In my own opinion a lot of that comes via the age group prevalent now in which there HAS been a pill for a lot of the things we suffered from. Misuse of medications and other factors are reversing that trend. It is a natural process. We are not going to live forever. Something will kill us. It might be corona. It could be the cure for corona. It could be the flu...

CycleryNorth81 07-04-20 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by gregf83 (Post 21568602)
You can even win money for catching it in Alabama....

I believe only if you are in a fraternity. I read they put the money in a pot and the first one to catch it wins. They also get to transmit the virus to their family, friends, roommate and coworkers.

Man who went to party warned people not to be an 'idiot like me’ a day before dying of covid-19

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ying-covid-19/

Juan Foote 07-04-20 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by gregf83 (Post 21568593)
Turns out many who survive Covid sustain permanent damage so they’re not ‘stronger’ as you postulate.

I would like to address this individually though.

Humans, and the animals/plants that we meddle with are interfering with natural selection.
Normally speaking, if you are sick, weak, genetically disadvantaged, handicapped mentally or physically....you would either be predated upon, or unable to find a mate to thus pass on your particular weakness or defect. We have created a situation by which those factors are no longer a determiner for our survival and as a whole are creating a weaker race over time due to it. We are counting on creating cures and treatments as the God of our own existence rather than counting on the process by which we all got to this point. Our compassion will likely end up being what kills us, if not our complacency about other pressing issues.

mackgoo 07-04-20 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Juan Foote (Post 21568483)
Here is man pretending like we can control "nature"**. This bug is out. It's mutating. It appears that all we are doing by running around with masks is setting ourselves a future pandemic reoccurrence.

I know there are tons of analogs comparing this to the flu in various ways. We realize we can't stop the flu. There isn't a cure for a flu. It mutates too much to even make the "vaccine" we pretend we have from being more effective than a tic tac most of the time....

The sooner that we come to the conclusion that no leader, no mask, no social distancing is actually going to STOP this. Allow it to run it's course. People will die. Hospitals will be full. And then all the ones who are left are stronger for it. It sucks, but it's natural selection at work. We can get back to the business of life.

**in no way shape of form is this an admission that this virus occurred naturally

To answer your question. Once we lose you.

CycleryNorth81 07-04-20 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Juan Foote (Post 21568645)
I would like to address this individually though.

Humans, and the animals/plants that we meddle with are interfering with natural selection.
Normally speaking, if you are sick, weak, genetically disadvantaged, handicapped mentally or physically....you would either be predated upon, or unable to find a mate to thus pass on your particular weakness or defect. We have created a situation by which those factors are no longer a determiner for our survival and as a whole are creating a weaker race over time due to it. We are counting on creating cures and treatments as the God of our own existence rather than counting on the process by which we all got to this point. Our compassion will likely end up being what kills us, if not our complacency about other pressing issues.

I disagree with this view. If you are were/are sick did you go to your GP (general practitioner) for treatment? If you had cancer, would you refuse treatment? Treatment would be interfering with the body's natural function.

jack pot 07-04-20 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by Juan Foote (Post 21568645)
I would like to address this individually though.

Humans, and the animals/plants that we meddle with are interfering with natural selection.
Normally speaking, if you are sick, weak, genetically disadvantaged, handicapped mentally or physically....you would either be predated upon, or unable to find a mate to thus pass on your particular weakness or defect. We have created a situation by which those factors are no longer a determiner for our survival and as a whole are creating a weaker race over time due to it. We are counting on creating cures and treatments as the God of our own existence rather than counting on the process by which we all got to this point. Our compassion will likely end up being what kills us, if not our complacency about other pressing issues.

>>> just another way of saying, "YOU GENICS AINT SO BAD IF IT AINT YOU" :)

wgscott 07-04-20 09:36 AM

Don't forget to microwave your library books.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/04/us/do...rnd/index.html

Juan Foote 07-04-20 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by CycleryNorth81 (Post 21568672)
I disagree with this view. If you are were/are sick did you go to your GP (general practitioner) for treatment? If you had cancer, would you refuse treatment? Treatment would be interfering with the body's natural function.

Don't take me wrong, per se. Modern medicine and science are a wonderful thing that has increased the quality of life for everyone. We have come to find that many relatively minor maladies are easily avoided or cured simply by washing our hands, having clean water, the advent of rubbing alcohol, taking sewage away...

With that said, I typically do not go to the GP unless the situation is dire. My life has been saved at least twice by modern medicine. As to the cancer thing...it really gets onto a whole other subject. My views on treating cancer are very much in line with what KIND of cancer it is, and how treatable/survivable it is. Much like many other things, I cannot see leaving a family with a huge debt over an inevitability.

Hondo Gravel 07-04-20 09:38 AM

This thread is too deep for me before my 3 cups of coffee.

Juan Foote 07-04-20 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by jack pot (Post 21568679)
>>> just another way of saying, "YOU GENICS AINT SO BAD IF IT AINT YOU" :)


Getting past the emotional aspect of it...there have been quite a few theories based on a better mankind by way of genetics. Some of them well received and still have a following, and some of them just murder in the name of....

Juan Foote 07-04-20 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by mackgoo (Post 21568656)
To answer your question. Once we lose you.

Thx ;)

3alarmer 07-04-20 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Hondo Gravel (Post 21568694)
This thread is too deep for me before my 3 cups of coffee.

...piled higher and deeper. That's how we roll in 'Murrica. :)


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