Is this the BF equivalent of getting a tattoo with your girlfriend's name and then having to cover it up when the relationship inevitably goes south?

Geez, what happened? Looks like the front welds failed, but no damage to the wheel/fork? What was the impact/crash scenario?

There were crabon explosions at the TDF this year?


-Matt

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Carbon frame durability Tour De France 2019

It's basically a Lynskey however back when they made much lighter frames. Remember Lynskey was Litespeed.

Crazy stuff. I'm wondering why all the crabon bikes haven't exploded.

And I'm also wondering how many of those TdF entires are running Titanium frames.


-Matt

don't worry, a $2500 Ultegra disc equipped bike isn't going to use an 840g frame.

Disc brakes would have prevented the crash in the first place.

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think again...Warrantied Trek carbon frames...

So what fork material are you going to use?

FTR, all frames can get damaged in wrecks. Carbon frames are easier to repair than Ti/steel/aluminum frames.

Not all of them crash. Their sponsors don't make titanium frames lol. It's all Chinese carbon thanks to cheap manufacturing and ultra cheap china labor.

I really don't have anything against Carbon. It's just a simple fact that it is not as durable as Ti or steel when it comes to bumps and bruises and that's something a consumer should consider if they plan on keeping the bike for a while. Because unlike pros, we can't just do a quick bike swap lol when our carbon frame snaps in half.

Doesn't matter. It's still just a LiteSpeed.

It's not an Engin eh?...

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What makes them better than my Vortex? The price you paid?

Okay, this is scary. I almost made the EXACT SAME reply!


-Matt

What’s your beef with Litespeed?

http://wittson.com.

I have no affiliation with them but if you check out their Illuminati model it checks all the important boxes except for price. He puts demos up on eBay from time to time though at a significant cost savings. That is how I got mine.

I was just funning you a bit. But I did find your OP interesting because I read about how superior titanium frames are all the time. I don't believe it, but I do read these claims quite often. And honestly, I'm keeping an open mind on the subject. One reason I doubt the claims is that you'll often see a titanium bicycle paired with a crabon fork. If titanium is so darned superior, why wouldn't these bikes also have a titanium fork?

I hear about how comfortable titanium bikes are. I'd love to believe that because my old body has lots of aches and pains. If I really thought a titanium bike would allow me to ride further or even the same distance with less pain, I think I'd be all over it.

I also like the idea that if I get a scratch on the frame, I stand some chance of cleaning it up so that it looks decent again. That's not happening on my crabon frames. My Diverge has quite a few battle scars.

My take away from this thread is that titanium is not magical. Or if it is, in this case it's less magical than a crabon frame with disc brakes. At least for one titanium proponent.


-Matt

Correct.

And how do you know what I paid?

Fact: carbon bikes will make you crash. Think twice before you give up your teeth!

Probably cost: it would probably be cost inefficient to design and make a Ti fork that would look right on a modern bike. Carbon fork would be much cheaper. Just look how expensive some Ti seatposts are as options.

It is an urban myth that carbon is inherently unreliable over time and prone to failure after any minor mishap or impact. This has long since been shown as incorrect. There are millions of carbon forks out there and if they were prone to catastrophic failure manufactures would be bankrupted from the costs of litigation and settlements. If a fork can be reliable then a frame can be also. If pictures of failed frames are what you are looking for, this applies to all material types. Just google failed titanium bicycle frames and look at the images tab.




With some manufacturers electing to build ultra-light frames, reliability becomes an issue, try building an 800-gram titanium bike and let some pro tour riders beat on it for a season, let's see how that turns out. If one likes titanium great enjoy your bike but to say carbon bikes are crap and unsafe is silly.

Give it a few days and OP will likely reverse his position.:twitchy:

Did you get a good buy??

:innocent:

I thought the Illuminati were just a myth. This information has been very enlightening to me!

I have carbon and it rides very good but the TI Habby just moves incredibly smoother and no noise at all on the road. The bumps and rough stuff make no sounds even the wind, but on carbon I hear everything and it just does not quite move as good for long hard rides. If you disk brakes it is no brainer you just go to Lynskey and be done. No one can touch them for price point and you get want to want. Not to mention my exposed cables and threaded bottom bracket cannot be beat. I can change cables 10 times faster than the Wilier with internal routing although my Wilier still has threaded BB. So now my Habby has 11,000 miles and spins flawless no issue with squeaking bottom brackets way less maintenance.

Carbon is fine if you need something really light and have to climb mountains and in my case at 58 in a few days it does mean much to me. If I live in a real mountain region I probably would go with bigger cassette in rear like a 34. Racing up mountains might be better on carbon and disk brakes too but I still don't like the looks of disk brakes.