Can anyone identify if this is a Colnago?
Hello, my friend and I have acquired two Colnagos.
Mine is the unlabeled red. (Sorry about the mess but I wasn't expecting company). On both, the top tube has a single 'crimp' and the down tube has a double 'crimp'. Both has 130mm rear space which makes me think as them for the 1990s. One thing that concerns me that both do not have serial numbers. Any help will be much appreciated. I'll try to take better pics tomorrow night. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...14b9a0c8a8.jpg Colnago headtube / forks https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5224cc4f94.jpg Colnago Downtube https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...00b699b1b0.jpg Colnago seat tube https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...47edd82085.jpg Red Colnago |
The purple one looks like it has a weird downturn at the top tube lug where it meets the head tube, like maybe a collision?
Anyway, nobody can tell you based on pics you showed. We need to see lugs and under the bottom bracket, at least. Most Colnagos will have club cutouts in the fork crown, in the bottom headtube lug where it extends to the downtube, and cutout of the bottom bracket, amongst other places. A lot of times either a club or COLNAGO at the seat stay caps, or on the fork crown if no club. Absence of any/all of these things would scream FAKE to me. Based on what I'm seeing, not Colnagos. But there's so much I'm not seeing, I could easily be wrong. PS, two links may be of interest to you to compare: https://saarf.london/2013/02/19/how-...-fake-colnago/ Colnago, main |
Not enough photos to make an honest determination. However, having stated that:
Purple one, if authentic, has a replacement fork that is NOT Colnago. The bike might have been crashed and it was replaced, then repainted along with the frame. Replacement decals such as the type shown are available. I can just make out the diamond-shaped brake bridge reinforcements in the third, but that's it. Even then, that's not necessarily exclusive to Colnagos. Need shots of the BB shell, lower head lug and seat lug arrangement to be sure. Red one: no identifying marks to be seen. However, that fork also looks to be a replacement. Both forks, at a minimum, should have a clover or a clover in a large C cast into the shoulders of the crown. DD |
If you have the frames in your possession, then take a bunch of photos including photos of the tops of all the lugs and the bottom of the bottom bracket. Also can you discern any branding on the dropouts (fork and rear)?
Can you make a hand drawing of the shape of each of the tubes to the best of your ability? Like @francophile and @Drillium Dude, I am extremely skeptical that either bike is actually a Colnago. And, I am also concerned about a possible bent head tube on the purple bike. I'm having difficulties discerning the tubing shapes that you mentioned. However, while Colnago was one of the major manufactures using shaped tubes, they weren't the only one. Stuff that says "Not Colnago" to me:
More photos and diagrams of the tubing shapes for each main tube will help confirm, but at the moment, I'm leaning towards fakes. |
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Thanks all. That's the reason I posted it because I thought it wasn't due to the bottom bracket and no club.
Seen a few Vagacini pics and it looks like that brand. As promised, here is some details of the frame: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d1f865f25e.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7eaa649b6b.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d5d17255c8.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8b629b5377.jpg |
Even if Vagacini, it's a solid frame, nothing to shrug about. But if I paid a 'nago premium price on it, I'd be less than happy.
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I like the crimped frame. I paid $300 for it and it was painted by the famous Canadian bike restorer Tony Beak I do believe its a Columbus SL tubing. I just didn't want to stick Colnago decals on it.
I'll have to see if it is a Vagicini and if so, label it correctly. Thanks all, you to quirky Bianchi Girl! |
Quello rosso non è sicuramente un Colnago
They look like well made frames but neither are Colnagos.
My 1983 Colnago Super with all the traditional symptoms of frames from the same era as the OP's. Also I didn't get into depth on seat stay tops because Colnago used a number of different styles on those frames: https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1c720e1fa3.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5a1d1e524b.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5f3b47aedc.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fab11abf46.jpg Rear stays to dropout treatment https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...92c26c574a.jpg My Colnago Technos with the same rear stays to dropout treatment as on my Super. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...54c80675a9.jpg This Technos has the same rounded seat stay tops as the OP's but with a logo an the fancy lugs. Note the fluted/crimped oversize top tub with a bulge in the middle. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf0c439672.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c7ae21638d.jpg There is a slim possibility that the frames are Colnago Sport which were farmed out products. EDIT (except for the crimped tubes per @CliffordK post) verktyg :50: |
Originally Posted by verktyg
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There is a slim possibility that the frames are Colnago Sport which were farmed out products.
verktyg :50: However, I don't believe the Sport comes with crimped tubes. |
If you look up "Gilco" on E-Bay, you'll find a number of bikes with crimped or fluted tubing. I'm not seeing any quite like yours, but similar. Of course models change somewhat over the years, so it might be close one year, and not quite the next.
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verktyg That is a hefty brake caliper! is the brake bridge strong enough to support it? Bontrager version of a Monoplaner?
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Bontrager Speed Limit Brakes
Originally Posted by SJX426
(Post 21203805)
verktyg That is a hefty brake caliper! is the brake bridge strong enough to support it? Bontrager version of a Monoplaner?
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...11a58aa690.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c63f2aac49.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea7334c367.jpg Whenever I have to "lock em up", I like to start to feel some retinal detachment - the Big Daddy Don Garlits effect! :innocent: These are the most powerful brakes I've ever used. I bought the frame from Ed Litton. He took it in for a trade on a custom frame and had it boxed up for years. I'd never seen a bike like this one so I went full tilt weird on the build with mostly Shimano Deore XT MTB components. It's super light and climbs like a goat. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7fbd421b91.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5249a70b3d.jpg verktyg :50: |
Hey everybody, just by chance I found what it is. A friend of mine saw my frame and he identified it as the same as his Rossin Record Professional which was posted in Pedal Room.
Did Rossin ever had frames made with Colnago or visa versa? |
Originally Posted by guelphite
(Post 21224948)
Hey everybody, just by chance I found what it is. A friend of mine saw my frame and he identified it as the same as his Rossin Record Professional which was posted in Pedal Room.
Did Rossin ever had frames made with Colnago or visa versa? Rossin, Colnago...these builders incorporated lots of distinguishing engravings/castings/pantographs into their lugs, BB shells, fork crowns and seat stay caps. Neither the red one or the one in the link show any evidence of engravings. Beware of repaints because before you know it you're down the rabbit hole trying to ID the thing. There are plenty of examples here on this very forum :) DD |
Firstly, we're talking about the red frame, right?
Originally Posted by guelphite
(Post 21224948)
A friend of mine saw my frame and he identified it as the same as his Rossin Record Professional which was posted in Pedal Room.
Originally Posted by guelphite
(Post 21224948)
Did Rossin ever had frames made with Colnago or visa versa?
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